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Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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So if the govt stops paying them they'll continue to do the work for free?

They're converting to a nonprofit, so instead of federal funding they will need funding from big tech companies.

MITRE is already a not-for-profit.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Including this as a prime example, the overall trend seems to be that we're going back to the bad old days where a kid gets to code the entire security infrastructure because the CEO thinks he's smart and then the bugs are covered up with legal threats (because they were able to mislead the courts), obfuscation, while being easily discoverable by 3rd parties. Another example is the way the bug bounty gimmick is run and most researchers never disclose their findings nor are they patched in any consistent manner, plus the companies threaten to sue you for disclosing even if it's 100 years later.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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I keep thinking of that time Wisconsin's state government privatized a bunch of IT stuff in the interest of "government efficiency", and the cost taxpayers paid for those specific functions increased by several hundred percent while quality of service went down. At that same time, though, I worked for a contractor that I do believe saved states money compared to doing things in-house. The work we did really required…

For every example of privatization going wrong, there's least one example (if not two) of it going right. But serious question -- what is the difference these days anyways? Our entire government is effectively privatized anyways from the local level up to the federal. We rely on contractors for almost everything that matters. We just maintain this facade that they are not privatized.

I’ve never seen one that worked long term. The basic premise is “what was done for $X dollars with no profit motive can be done for Just for the most ready to hand example for me, PG&E in SF vs public electricity utilities on the peninsula - the privatized electricity costs twice as much per kWh - and of course it does because the PG&E CEO needs to make $17M from somewhere, the share price needs to go up etc. the rich need to skim from the top, that makes the cost higher.

If you have an essential industry the cynical play is to privatize to save cost, then do a bad job and then effectively make your losses public through bail-outs while still making profit.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

What you are saying is the fantastical kool-aid Fox News and alt-right media spin to you. In the meantime, Trump is actually deporting people without due process to inhumane torture camps run by a dictator while openly bragging about it and defying court orders. These two things are not the same.

> What you are saying is the fantastical kool-aid Fox News and alt-right media spin to you.

What I'm replying to is the fantastical Kool-aid MSNBC and alt-left media spin. I'm pretty sure the Republicans are not going to be rounding up and killing minorities despite hyperbolic descriptions like "people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba".

Wait, you're saying El Salvador is a dictatorship? From briefly glancing at Wikipedia I don't see any evidence of that. Why the need to smear another country just to make Trump look worse?

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

I don't think any Democrat has ever put anyone into reeducation camps. I may be mistaken though - can you cite some examples?

I don't think any Republican has advocated for a policy of killing minorities. The hyperbole of my post is the point.

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Actually Trump repeatedly said he didn't know about project 2025. He's so scattered in his campaigning that it's possible to pretty much justify any action as "what he said he would do." But saying executing project 2025 is exactly what he SAID he would do defies all reality. It may be what intelligent observers expected him to do but it is not what he said. Edit: good lord people I’m not defending Trump I’m saying h…

> Actually Trump repeatedly said he didn't know about project 2025 * He said he'd end the war in a day. * He said he had a better health care plan. * He said he'd drop the price of eggs. * ... * He said lots of things that were not true.

That’s exactly right and what I said. The guy above said Trump is doing what he said he would. He isn’t.

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Case in point: you have decided that those who disagree with you want to kill you, deport your friend, and are otherwise nazis. While a minority do, that isn't the majority.

This argument went out the window long ago. You're not absolved of responsibility just because you voted for someone who wants to hurt people instead of hurting them yourself.

Quit turning the argument around. forget about "them" - what does it say about you when you cannot talk nice about people you disagree with?

People who voted for Trump are not stupid. They have real concerns that they do not see being met and so they are turning to something that while maybe not ideal is at least a promise of maybe better. Maybe it will be worse, but they don't see things on the right track as they were either.

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Project 2025 lays out a clear vision for the privatization and decentralization of federal functions. It’s not subtle—it explicitly calls for it. Separate from whether we support this or not: Trump is doing—or promising to do—exactly what he said he would. We can disagree with the policies, but it’s not accurate to say he or his team are directionless or incompetent. They have a coherent (if controversial) agenda. So…

Actually Trump repeatedly said he didn't know about project 2025. He's so scattered in his campaigning that it's possible to pretty much justify any action as "what he said he would do." But saying executing project 2025 is exactly what he SAID he would do defies all reality. It may be what intelligent observers expected him to do but it is not what he said. Edit: good lord people I’m not defending Trump I’m saying h…

Someone is clearly pushing that agenda whether it's (knowingly) Trump or not.

Project 2025 is 42% complete, 3 months in.

https://www.project2025.observer/

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

> people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps Then you shouldn't talk to Trump supporters as that's exactly what they want to do for anyone that disagrees with them, and last I checked, they're capitalists. They are planning on abducting people off the street, completely ignoring the courts and denying due process, and sending them to another country where they…

> but the Orange in Charge's supporters seem to hew to the "well if you didn't do anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" angle because it's something happening to people they think deserve it.

This is literally the left wing reply when people complain about losing their job or their family for voicing the wrong political belief. "They deserve it, they should 'do better'."

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