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What if we made advertising illegal?

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Re: What if we made advertising illegal?

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My ad blocker blocked 4 tracker scripts on this website.

This website is about blocking advertising because they're often predatory and invasive.

> Outlawing advertising would help protect and reinvigorate our minds and democracy.

Practice what you preach. Or don't, if you just want to make a quick-hit blog post.

Re: What if we made advertising illegal?

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Sao Paulo, Brazil, made outdoor advertising illegal. That worked out quite well. The US used to forbid prescription drug advertising. That seemed to work. Ads for liquor, marijuana, and gambling are prohibited in many jurisdictions. The FCC once limited the number of minutes of ads per hour on the public airwaves. That limit was below 10% of air time in the 1960s. The SEC used to limit ads for financial products to d…

> Sao Paulo, Brazil, made outdoor advertising illegal. That worked out quite well. it was just a gimmick in the end. yeah the city is cleaner, but i doubt there's even the slightest difference in sports betting in sao paulo vs places with outdoors, for example. ...and did the us forbid prescription drugs ads? thats literally all i see on daytime tv.

You don’t value the city being cleaner? I live here and the city looks absolutely so much better. For one it has a lot less visual pollution and you can drive with less distractions… That alone justifies everything else for me.

Re: What if we made advertising illegal?

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I can’t stop thinking about this article. I spent a long time in ad tech before switching to broader systems engineering. The author captures something I've struggled to articulate to friends and family about why I left the industry. The part that really struck me was framing advertising and propaganda as essentially the same mechanism - just with different masters. Having built targeting systems myself, this rings p…

What I'd really like to see is a study on how much advertising drives consumerism and thereby eventually climate change / pollution. Maybe this could start some discussion.

I got the thing for you : a governmental report that showed that advertising as it exists today and ecological transition are not aligned. Pardon my french, though.

https://linforme.files.sirius.press/files/1742914627793-Rapp...

Re: What if we made advertising illegal?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you define it conservatively, then advertising will skirt through the loopholes. This would result in a better world still, without the authoritarian system you describe. No need to get it perfect the first try, just start small. For an example of this in action, drive through any of the US states that do not allow billboards.

But how do you define advertising. What about social media influencers? How to prevent someone from paying people to promote stuff? What if it is forbidden and then only a bad government can promote their agenda, but anyone else cannot.

We don't define advertising, we describe the sorts of things we would like to see go away, enumerate some of the easiest (like billboards), and amend in the future as newer manifestations become clear.

This isn't some piece of rigidly-defined software instruction that also is somehow write-once execute-forever amend-never.

Re: What if we made advertising illegal?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you define it conservatively, then advertising will skirt through the loopholes. This would result in a better world still, without the authoritarian system you describe. No need to get it perfect the first try, just start small. For an example of this in action, drive through any of the US states that do not allow billboards.

Many complex problems can become easier if we can accept that the solutions can be malleable and designed to adapt. We just don’t really apply that to laws for the most part.

We absolutely do, and in fact doing so is the primary job of many of the higher courts in the US.

Re: What if we made advertising illegal?

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This idea isn't uncommon because it's beyond the Overton window, it's uncommon because it is silly and unworkable. * Total fantasy to think you wouldn't fall afoul of free speech, both legally (in the US) and morally. In fact, the author touts as a benefit that you'd stop populists being able to talk to their audience. This is destroying the village of liberal democracy in order to save it! * Absolutely zero thought…

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If ads just vanished, that would be great, but making it illegal ought to do more harm than good. For one, a lot of ad money would be routed to shills, which are far more pernicious and have already infested otherwise great platforms like Reddit. Everything would turn to crap and no adblocker would help you. An ad ban would make every influencer profile instantly worthless, unless they decide to shill, which they're…

I have thought about whether banning advertising would be a good idea prior to stumbling onto this article. I'm not saying there would be no downsides, but I think there would be a TON of benefits as well. Consider that advertising is mostly (not 100%) a zero-sum game. It's not zero sum when it helps to inform people of products and services that would make their life better, that they would willingly have sought out…

I definitely agree with ads being bad in principle. But banning shills is an even worse idea than banning ads, because you absolutely, under no circumstance, can correctly identify those. Any "replacement for the small, actual valuable thing that advertising provides, which is providing information", is bound to become infested in ways you cannot control. Escalate this idea further to solve the issues you created and you would end up banning speech or trade.
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