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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by uni_baconcat »

brailsafe wrote: post #388
Nifty3929 wrote: post #268

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

iPhones are the Starbucks of phones. They were sort of novel and better than competition for a few years after launch maybe, became a status symbol, and then all the people who bought in stuck around while it became a bit old hat and uninteresting while paying the price that it was when it was still cool. If I want a capable rectangle, there are plenty of options now that are better and cheaper and more reliable. iOS…

People cares, but not care that much.

They care about privacy and freedom, so they have different opinions besides Apple. But they don’t care that much, so not everyone is trying to figure out if their phones have a hackable toggle.

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Post by JaggerJo »

TheDong wrote: post #751
JaggerJo wrote: post #572

In Europe Apple was forced to allow side loading + alternative app stores. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/117767 Might be possible to do more (like call private apis) when apps don't need to pass app review.

"side loading" in the EU still requires you to have your app reviewed and notarized by apple, which means you can't call private APIs. You also still need to pay $100/year developer fee for your app to continue to be side-loadable (otherwise they revoke the notarization), and need to pay the €0.50 "core technology fee" per side-load to apple after a free allowance of side-loads. I doubt it's going to help pebble sinc…

Hah, I'm not so sure about what happens during automatic notarisation.

Sideloading would at least allow JIT compilation.

The fee only applies to alternative app stores, not simple apps.

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Post by Aachen »

jdalgetty wrote: post #376

Couldn’t something like blue bubbles solve this issue?

Say what? What's blue bubbles?

Edit: wait, is this this imessage thing about coloring messages by transport method? I never used/saw it so didn't immediately recognise what you meant, if this is what you meant

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by saagarjha »

ericmay wrote: post #452
bigyabai wrote: post #441

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You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector and App Store too, for all the good it does everyone in the EU. If a company uses their power to prevent competition with their own products or services, the market's jurisdiction reserves the right to restore competition to their market and prevent the harms inherent to monopoly abuse.

> You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector They did move to USB-C, but the lightning connector was actually a great product, far superior in usability to the Micro-USB, Mini-USB, and whatever other nonsense standards that existed. When Apple wanted to move to USB-C people complained about them "changing standards all the time". There really isn't a move that pleases everyone and even when they do the "right" t…

I have a grandma and grandpa and I deal with their devices directly. I’m want an iPhone that lets me do more and I can set up (with their consent, of course) a more limited experience for them. Their phones currently have purchases turned off, for example, because they have a set of apps they need and there’s no reason for new apps, because even with the App Store not all of them are actually good enough to have on their phones.

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Post by saagarjha »

riatin wrote: post #492
bigyabai wrote: post #460

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I've heard it all before, both of these are simple to refute. Apple designed the USB-C connector, they knew it was an option. But as is Apple tradition, they created a new licensed serial and power connector specifically for their phones to promote MFi, their arbitrary USB DRM. Apple could have switched to USB-C at any time; they had no issue shipping millions of peripherals and Macs with them onboard. But they didn'…

> You don't ever have to leave the Apple App Store, but your preference has no right to enforce an artificial limitation onto other users. So... just buy an Android? This is not an artificial limitation, it's an express preference that the vast majority of iOS users have voted for. > The Mac as a product would not exist without third-party software distribution The Mac is a completely different product servicing a co…

Plenty of people are asking for that, actually. I suggest you look through the App Store for developer tools and report back what you find.

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Post by saagarjha »

bigiain wrote: post #580
lynx97 wrote: post #430

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As a user, I am totally fine with Apple restricting access to iMessage. In fact, now that I read this, I want them to do this, thanks Apple.

Yep. Same. I do not want 3rd party hardware/software vendors to have unrestricted access to the messaging app on my phone that is the only option my bank and PayPal and a bunch of other critical services use for 2FA. Especially not when the software they want to run is JavaScript, with all it's well known npm dependancy nightmares, _and_ from a founder and team that openly admit iPhones are a second class citizen in…

Psst…there’s JavaScript running on your phone right now.

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Post by kraf »

lanyard-textile wrote: post #668
liquid_thyme wrote: post #309

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Yes, you could. It's indeed troubling to see this mindset on HN. We have an overflow of professional "explainers" these days, we need more doers and fighters.

Oh whatever :P Don’t be condescending about a mindset you don’t experience yourself. I ran debian as my daily driver for like half my life; now I’m on mac and never have to worry about my friggin wifi driver.

It's been many years since I had my last driver issue. I find that impressive considering how many different platforms Linux has to run on.

Have you noticed how bad the Docker experience is on Macs though, after how many years?

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Post by saagarjha »

musicale wrote: post #770
godelski wrote: post #720

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I just want to add that over the last few years Apple has also been teaching its users to ignore security warnings as they make it difficult to verify software and thus lots of stuff never does. Its why there's few free things in the App Store because Apple charges. You install things from GitHub and well you're gonna get that security warning.

I assume you're talking about the Mac App Store since one can't easily install iOS software via github. It's a tricky situation. Windows Vista tried to improve security and then was criticized for having too many UAC pop-ups, and for breaking legacy drivers. I don't like Apple's syspolicyd, but it is also an attempt at improving security.

Poor security implementations harm security, because they train users to click through them. It’s certainly an “attempt” but I wouldn’t say it improves security.

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Post by kraf »

underdeserver wrote: post #805
dingnuts wrote: post #736

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I haven't had a problem with my Wi-Fi in Linux since 2006, what are you on about?

You're squarely in the minority, mate.

Nah he's not. Stuff has been pretty stable, impressively so. Especially if you keep to certain hardware options which Apple users also accept.

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Post by saagarjha »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #457
izacus wrote: post #413

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Without that "shit show" you would never end up with devices like iPhones and useful software that drove last decades of innovation and progress. The ability to build better things is the reason why you can now sit here, using technologies built on that "shit show" machine, and bloviate how new generations aren't allowed to build new things anymore because a megacorp needs to feed its greed.

It doesn’t follow that the past had to be a shit show for the future to not be a shit show. In any case we are largely still learning when it comes to security and I don’t really want to make things less secure for the many just to satisfy the few.

I believe the point being made was that “the few” are the people making what’s next.
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