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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by firstlunchables »

derbOac wrote: post #18
relaxing wrote: post #16

Good reporting here. Clarifies why the kid was fired for leaking documents - it was specifically for leaking internal corporate documents to a competitor. The details about cybercrime discords involved in SWATting and DDOS attacks are fascinating. The idea that anyone involved in this would be fast-tracked for a clearance is beyond the pale.

I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. This in their mind is not about improving anything in the government for citizens, or with regard to US interests, it's about gaining access to a hostile entity without regard to their interes…

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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by roymurdock »

dang wrote: post #684
dang wrote: post #37

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I spent all day responding to the replies here, and then detaching them in order to save space at the top of the thread. But I just had a better idea. This is a stub comment so we have a single root to collapse the replies. This way (1) replies can stay close to their parent (the top comment) without flooding the screen with offtopicness; and (2) we can all re-experience the timeless truth of https://en.wikipedia.org…

Thanks for your service dang

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by ap99 »

DanielHB wrote: post #815

I just want to highlight one thing about this whole government takeover debacle. The reason you have the separation of power (legislative, judiciary, executive) is not to be efficient, it is to prevent generational abuse. Even a well intentioned benign autocrat if given power would not part ways with said power voluntarily. So even if the current administration is "good" there is no reason why this kind of power coul…

By government takeover do you mean the republicans controlling the senate, house, and presidency (and the supreme court generally being conservative)?

The American people voted them into office.

Power was transferred peacefully.

When the repubs are voted out we'll go through this "takeover" process again to whatever extent the dems can control the government.

These powers that are being utilized were in place with Biden, Obama, etc.

Trump hasn't taken anything new.

Honestly, people who don't like Trump will claim he's a dictator but it's mostly they don't like him and not that he's doing anything vastly different.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by Brigand »

grahameb wrote: post #845
DanielHB wrote: post #815

I just want to highlight one thing about this whole government takeover debacle. The reason you have the separation of power (legislative, judiciary, executive) is not to be efficient, it is to prevent generational abuse. Even a well intentioned benign autocrat if given power would not part ways with said power voluntarily. So even if the current administration is "good" there is no reason why this kind of power coul…

cleric here, so excuse me for getting theological: but there should be (and at times truly has been, even if flawed) a shared understanding of the dignity and worth of every person. if we have that, then when one party or another is in power, they know that they are expected to care for minorities and for the stranger, and for the 'other side'. we should be willing to vote for that. that seems to be breaking down, th…

My impression is that a focus on dignity and worth of every person has lead to a complete fixation on rights and wants of minorities and underprivileged groups.

What is missing from this point of view are individual responsibility and willingness to contribute. From what I see online some people a fed up with this approach and this has caused the current backlash.

Perhaps dignity needs to be complemented by responsibility and we all ought to keep both in mind?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by ksec »

DanielHB wrote: post #826
naijaboiler wrote: post #824

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This!!! What makes democracy powerful isn't that it guarantees good governance. It is powerful because because it prevents power transfer problems and all the associated struggles. The number 1 responsibility of any system of government is how well it handles power transfers, not whether it produces good governments.

I would say proper transitions of power is part of good government. Your phrasing makes it sound like governance doesn't need to be good as long as it transitions properly. Improper transitions of power cause bad governance.

I guess that in that context, if we reduce the role of government in as many ways as possible then whether a Good or Bad governance would have less impact to us? And in doing so a proper transitions of power is more important?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by lupusreal »

threetonesun wrote: post #825
naijaboiler wrote: post #824

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This!!! What makes democracy powerful isn't that it guarantees good governance. It is powerful because because it prevents power transfer problems and all the associated struggles. The number 1 responsibility of any system of government is how well it handles power transfers, not whether it produces good governments.

I remember an American History teacher explaining that the most amazing thing about the new American government was that when we went from Washington to Adams nothing changed for the American citizen. Certainly that has not always held true but certainly I agree with you - thinking about the government is one of the last things I want on my mind.

Washington is often compared to Cincinnatus because he had the opportunity to hold onto power, but chose not to. Supposedly (Legend? History?) some men from his army told him to become a king or offered to make him one, and he refused.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by lupusreal »

ap99 wrote: post #854
DanielHB wrote: post #815

I just want to highlight one thing about this whole government takeover debacle. The reason you have the separation of power (legislative, judiciary, executive) is not to be efficient, it is to prevent generational abuse. Even a well intentioned benign autocrat if given power would not part ways with said power voluntarily. So even if the current administration is "good" there is no reason why this kind of power coul…

By government takeover do you mean the republicans controlling the senate, house, and presidency (and the supreme court generally being conservative)? The American people voted them into office. Power was transferred peacefully. When the repubs are voted out we'll go through this "takeover" process again to whatever extent the dems can control the government. These powers that are being utilized were in place with Bi…

The theory goes that checks and balances have broken down because Congress can't stop Trump, but actually I think they simply don't want to.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by spacebanana7 »

jccalhoun wrote: post #844

Ignoring the age of the people involved, the idea that what is happening is in the name of "efficiency" is laughable. Maybe these departments are all wasteful but there are better ways achieve "efficiency" than just shutting down departments without having plans about what is going to happen afterwards. What is efficient about shutting down departments without notice or without looking at the impact or having alterna…

I think it’s because leadership at large organisations doesn’t actually understand how things work on the ground, and also knows they’ll never be able to.

A blanket ban on newspaper subscriptions is a pretty easy way to save a few million dollars with minimal effort and relatively low risk.

Actually evaluating whether each employee who gets one needs one along with potential subscription renegotiations could be theoretically better, but requires a great deal of managerial time and talent in the context of a large organisation.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by HumblyTossed »

derbOac wrote: post #18
relaxing wrote: post #16

Good reporting here. Clarifies why the kid was fired for leaking documents - it was specifically for leaking internal corporate documents to a competitor. The details about cybercrime discords involved in SWATting and DDOS attacks are fascinating. The idea that anyone involved in this would be fast-tracked for a clearance is beyond the pale.

I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. This in their mind is not about improving anything in the government for citizens, or with regard to US interests, it's about gaining access to a hostile entity without regard to their interes…

> I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this.

It's more the Musk, Thiel, Vance Group. Trump is simply a tool.

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