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Re: I automated my job application process

#851

With so many comments on the state of the job market, I'm surprised to not see even one mention of career fairs. It's quite common for universities to host these and while they have their own set of disadvantages, it seems they could also provide a lot of value in the current market. The physical presence would ensure that it's a real person and it makes cheating significantly harder. Deciding a time and place would…

Sounds pay to win

Re: I automated my job application process

#852

Find someone over the age of 50 and ask them how to get a job. First point: you won't like what they say. You won't like it at all. You'll probably absolutely hate it, and even start to hate him a little in the process. Second point: you'll have a job in under 6 months.

What does this even mean? Go to Google headquarters and try to talk to HR? lmao

Re: I automated my job application process

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post #590

I'm an engineer at a company of about 70 people (about half of that engineers), and I personally review most applications to our engineering roles. About 60-70% of applications we receive are low-effort or automated spam of the kind generated by the author. We have screening questions that ask to describe a personal experience in your own words, specifically without LLM, and yet almost half of the applications we get…

I’ll genuinely handjam every field and be met with the same result of the spammers because I didn’t include the correct keywords for the ATS…

Re: I automated my job application process

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post #827

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And now you've moved the job of administering and evaluating coding tests to an organization that only does that. Who would want to work at such a place? Why would I trust the opinions of people who work at such a place?

It is good enough for plumbing, bricklaying, food service etc. Why not coding.

I'm going to make the extremely controversial statement that writing software is a lot more difficult than all of those things.

I acknowledge that some feel their contributions are at that level, but that doesn't mean it's the norm.

Re: I automated my job application process

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post #831

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I've seen a strongly positive correlation over a 30+ year career. It's not perfect, but it's far from zero in my experience.

When I see stuff like that I can't help but wonder if the people who are satisfied by it are the ones who fall upwards and of course say the system is working perfectly.

Maybe I fell upwards. Maybe I earned it. Doesn't matter for the following:

I'm now on the side of the table where I frequently make personnel decisions: hire, promote, offer a new role, offer a new assignment, merit adjustment, expand a successful team, disband or merge an unsuccessful team into another, transfer in, transfer out, put on a PIP, etc. Most of the good things on that list go to people who demonstrate ability and results, and rarely do those results come without effort. Most of the bad things on that list go to people who demonstrate an inability to deliver results, which is sometimes related to a lack of effort.

Re: I automated my job application process

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post #499

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LLMs just lie way too much. Like completely fabricate what they need for a plausible answer from thin air. As of now they do more harm than good.

Like completely fabricate what they need for a plausible answer from thin air. Reminds me of a guy I used to work with. He just made stuff up all the time. Turns out, the answers never actually mattered, people were just bored at their desk and wanted to give the appearance of doing work. I think he's in management at Apple now.

> I think he's in management at Apple now.

Clearly management material.

We all know that.

Re: I automated my job application process

#857

I'm a software manager that has been doing some form of interviewing/hiring for 13 years. I did two rounds of hiring software engineers last year, one in spring that seemed normal, and one in the fall that was was brutal. The fall hiring had a flood of applicants, and in retrospect, most seemed like AI was used in some way. For the fall round, I suddenly had a higher percentage of applicants that qualified after resu…

Over Christmas I met up with a friend who teaches part-time at a local college. He said he’s failed more people this year than the cumulative total of his entire past teaching career due to LLM abuse. He doesn’t use LLM detection tools, but he says it’s easy to identify papers with warning signs of LLM use. For some reason, using ChatGPT for his specific niche topic overuses a few obscure, rarely-used words that most…

Overly expressive words like "robust" and words that would appear in the thesaurus for "extremely" seem like tell tale signs in my experience. I've noticed personally that sometimes I have to tell ChatGPT to "sound more human and concise." I'd love to hear if anyone else has had the same experience as me.

Regardless, if ChatGPT is tailored enough, or a custom model is created, I can't think of any way to detect if an LLM has authored something generic. The lazy college student will probably get caught, but the cunning one not so much.

Re: I automated my job application process

#858

One of the major reasons why applying for jobs sucks so much is that companies are flooded with more garbage applications than they can process. So hurray for the tragedy of the commons, I guess. It was nice knowing everyone. On a personal level, I consider the practice espoused by this article of flooding the world with automated messages without care for how it impacts anyone else to be narcissistic and morally rep…

Yep, the glee of the author reminds me of my younger days when I had a lot of edgy, but truly shitty development ideas. Luckily I never saw them through and can't be embarrassed by them today.

This all makes me glad I am not actively looking for a new position. I always keep an eye on the job market though - I've noticed anecdotally the amount of applicants on any LinkedIn position have really amplified the last couple years. I knew the LLM driven application process was coming, but it doesn't make it suck any less.

Re: I automated my job application process

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post #656

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I've been looking for a few months. I've got 20 years of professional dev experience, including in an eye-catching domain and haven't used LLMs in the process either. Since university I have never not been offered the first job I've applied for. For 10 years now I could ring any of the firms working in the niche I've been in and more or less set my rate. I still could, but I'm trying to get out of that niche into the…

Similar story here. 20+ years experience in leading dev, pm, and UX teams. Launched multiple 0-1 market leading products, worked with dozens of Fortune 500s. Applied to more than a hundred positions - one phone screen and one interview. Then I just went to my large network and within a week I have multiple opportunities - companies creating positions so they can hire me. Spoke to a number of colleagues in recruiting…

This is the way. Submitting an application is useless. We've reverted back to networking for jobs. You have to connect with actual humans, as nobody is going to wade through 5k resumes and pick yours out no matter how good it is...

Re: I automated my job application process

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I’ve flown myself out for interviews at companies that were dream jobs. Think: sports industries, not insurance companies. They tended to be small and didn’t have the resources to put together reservations (and would have taken months to figure out budgeting situations) Yes, I wanted to work for them so badly it was well worth the risk. Sometimes you see opportunities and want to pay for them.

>They tended to be small and didn’t have the resources to put together reservations (and would have taken months to figure out budgeting situations) This makes no sense. If they can't afford a one-off line item like travel arrangements, how can they possibly make payroll reliably? You're describing either a company with no financial buffer, or one that's asking prospective applicants to subsidize them.

I don’t have a generalized answer, but they have been making it, I guess is the answer? It’s been over 6 years since I interviewed, but talking with friends they haven’t missed a payroll. Sometimes smoke indicates a fire, sometimes it indicates bbq I guess.
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