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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#852
Bernie Sanders just put it perfectly:

>It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.

>While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.

>And they’re right.

Anyone here who is still confused about this election result need only unplug their fingers from their ears and open their eyes.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#854
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As an American who grew from nothing, served in the military, and expanded in my career - I find the concerns for Democracy comical. Most of you do not understand the type of people that built and fought for democracy. There is no real fear amongst these same type of people in modern America.

Nice anecdotes you have there, but history suggests that you might have a bit of myopia.

1. Abraham Lincoln said "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Whether you agree or not, some people think we may be at that inflection point right now. If you think American citizens haven’t lost substantial freedoms in the recent past, then you haven’t been paying attention. Is it at the level of “destroying ourselves”? To be determined, but the potential is there, and some folks really aren’t shy about trying to implement that a policy of reduced freedoms.

2. There are many cases in the last 100 years or so of authoritarian regimes rising because people want order during a time of distress — Saddam, Hitler, Mao, Lenin, and others rose to authoritarian power by offering stability during unstable times. They were welcomed with open arms, and often times people (including and especially the military) were willing to give up their freedoms for this potential for stability. Some folks think that the US is one big destabilizing event from welcoming an authoritarian. You may think this way of thinking is hubris, but none of us will know that it happened until after it has occurred.

I’m glad things have worked out for you, but I hope you have open eyes about how things can go south, as they have in the past.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#858

It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#859

Just out of (actual) curiosity: is the culture divide now strong enough that dissolution of the Union is a possibility? If so, why? If not, why not?

No, because the resources are owned by the United States regardless of how much the people like/dislike the United States, to leave the United States you have to physically leave it. You can't just announce your land is part of some other country. Sure, you could try and fight Civil War 2, but remember all the might of the US Military soldiers/weapons/intelligence/etc. belong to the United States side. You have a 2nd amendment right to form this opposing militia but you'd have to outspend the US Military using your own resources.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#860

To the people that are very upset about this, I'd like to offer some silver linings. A blowout in either direction was necessary here. A clear result is better for everyone. The press can go back to being adversarial to power (Although straight faced bullshit like the Cheney firing squad thing will probably only be more common, so thats a double edged sword). The dems will likely stop anointing people. We never have…

> The first woman president

And that's why the blue folks lost, all about identity politics rather than realpolitik.

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