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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by jayd16 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #645
benreesman wrote: post #358

I've long been a huge skeptic of the whole Metaverse project/undertaking, I think I've called it a smoking crater where ten billion dollars used to be. But this is really interesting: it sounds like the display works, and it sounds like the puck is workable, and it sounds like both can squeak above the line in terms of battery life. If those things are true I may turn out to have been completely wrong. I don't know t…

Given that this is AR, not VR, and that AR has never even been as popular as VR outside a few industrial niches, I don't think this should change anything in your estimate of the value. Despite all the hype, the only thing that XR has ever been mildly popular for has been VR gaming. AR glasses can't do that well, since everything is transparent, instead of making you feel like part of the game world, so I would perso…

This is a silly take. AR games are perfectly possible. Games don't need to look photo real to be immersive and a holographic animal with enough grounding in physical space still feels real, anyhow.

Additive displays do make it hard to port existing games but that was true for mobiles and touchscreen. If the platform is popular, it will have games.

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Post by Twirrim »

Kiro wrote: post #650
jjulius wrote: post #342

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>... and says a lot about the audience here that you're all oblivious to this fact. What does it say beyond, "This person doesn't pay attention to high fashion", and why does it feel like you're judging people for that? Who cares if people aren't into it? To my mind, your comment says a lot more about you than what ignorance to high fashion says about others.

It's obviously fine not to be into fashion, but if you're not, you shouldn't go around making judgment calls or confidently and incorrectly saying people wouldn't wear something for fashion reasons. It’s revealing in the sense that it shows how narrow-minded we can be, judging everything based on our own perspective and assuming it applies to everyone.

Wow, that's quite some chip on your shoulder. You're managing to project things on to my post that I didn't say, at all.

Literally all I said was I thought they were large and goofy looking. I didn't say anything about people wearing, or not wearing them, or anything about whether they were fashionable or not. You've taken my post, read things I didn't say, made up stuff, and then judged me for it.

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Post by grahamj »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #604
grahamj wrote: post #489

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I definitely think that's worth worrying about. Eye tracking too; it's shocking how much can be learned about a person from it. The chart here is... well, eye opening: https://newatlas.com/science/science/eye-tracking-privacy/

It’s really interesting how much eye tracking can glean. I’d be curious to test some of those algorithms on myself and see what it said; do you know if there’s any open source stuff that lets you play with it?

Not that I’m aware of. I agree that would be interesting though

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Post by wredue »

casenmgreen wrote: post #781
FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

> IIncredible amount of negativity here. It's FB. They're not popular. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, because I expect it will be absolutely stuffed with user surveillance.

It is Facebook. Everything in earshot and eyeshot of these glasses will be surveilled.

AR is certainly cool tech. It is just too bad there’s no company doing it that isn’t doing it just to spy on you.

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Post by tremon »

rbetts wrote: post #767
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I take a totally different position than you do. If I can't think of a technical reason Google can't get data from something, I assume they do. Why do you think otherwise? Google's full of exactly the same rapacious MBA types that Facebook is, and has the exact same obligations to its shareholders. They're essentially the same business (trap users in your services to mine their data and show them ads). I honestly see…

I find the MBA hate on HN so weird. The founders and leaders of these companies are technologists first. We need to look in the mirror - there's no dodge that software developers, not MBAs, have built these invasive, addictive, misleading, and dangerous products.

MBA's are almost never first-time founders. You can find them circling above these companies and positions only after a company has become successful, looking to extract more "value" out of an already-existing (and usually captive) userbase.

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Post by wredue »

brtkdotse wrote: post #786
FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

> next consumer electronics platform I really hope this isn’t the case. We have enough screens around us as is, the last thing I want is screens pressed up against my eyeballs

For your children’s children, AR is going to be a commodity product like cell phones are today.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

The technology they've packed into these things is amazing - it's an incredible achievement.

But, that said, there's also plenty of room for negativity around the actual product conception. It may have niche applications, but it just doesn't seem that most people need or want AR for everyday use - it's a solution looking for a problem. For gaming VR seems a better fit than AR, and same for Metaverse in general.

AR seems a bit like Segway two-wheelers - cool and fun, but with limited actual use. I could see AR glasses being used in the same way as Segway's end of life use for tourist city tours, or for other similar rent-to-use entertainment experiences.

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Post by cududa »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

The problem with waveguides are the manufacturing defects are on the micron level, and you need to get those channels perfect - then produce the same pattern a few more times for other colors, and hope they all perfectly line up.

I don’t see 3D printing being a solution here for a very very long time

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

wredue wrote: post #856
brtkdotse wrote: post #786

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> next consumer electronics platform I really hope this isn’t the case. We have enough screens around us as is, the last thing I want is screens pressed up against my eyeballs

For your children’s children, AR is going to be a commodity product like cell phones are today.

I highly doubt it. People are people and don't change much. Teenagers especially are all about personal fashion/appearance, and outside of a short-lived fad don't seem likely to want to wear a computer on their face, regardless of how fashionable you are able to make them look. You may as well build the battery pack into a baseball cap and say you have to wear that too.
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