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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by DSingularity »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #278
Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

I think it should not be considered terrorism to the extent that the attack targeted legitimate military targets during a time of war — broadly speaking, combatants and other parts of the organization that affect its ability to wage war. Terrorism, at least least in my view, is an attack that either intentionally targets civilians or is truly indiscriminate, and is aimed at producing political cha age by causing fear…

It’s obviously a terrorism strike.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by hersko »

isr wrote: post #826
negativeonehalf wrote: post #756

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, also don't stand near Hamas fighters when they flagrantly violate international law and fight from designated humanitarian zones. (Obviously, voting in Hamas was a huge mistake, but Palestinians probably didn't expect Hamas to make that the last election. Unfortunately, you only need to elect a totalitarian government once.)

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> That's why they are effectively winning their war against the Israeli military.

What?? In what way is Hamas winning?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by hersko »

OutOfHere wrote: post #601

War and terrorism aside, for the rest of us, in practical terms, Israel can now never be trusted commercially for its software or hardware. Not only are they backdoored and exploited, but they also blow up and kill the user.

Do you think Israel is just randomly planting bombs in everything it makes? This was clearly a targeted op aimed at Hezbollah.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by hilux »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #834
hilux wrote: post #748

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That's literally true, and I don't mean that in a snarky way. Everyone who ever had a history class should know this. I'm disappointed that this thread has devolved into an angry and pointless political debate, when it could instead have been a cool technical exploration of how Mossad pulled it off. Come on, Hacker News!

What is “cool” in a conversation about how people were killed? This isn’t a movie. There is no novelty in death.

I'm against war.

But when there is war - well, I've picked my side.

You're probably American, as am I, and you're definitely from a country that has attacked and militarily dominated other countries. (Because they almost all have.) Get off your high horse.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by mr_toad »

anigbrowl wrote: post #667
PepperdineG wrote: post #650

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Al Qaeda isn't a nation-state so by definition it falls into terrorism. It's like if Greenpeace sunk a military vessel because the sonar was killing sea life that would be terrorism. It would have some serious side effects if it was OK for private non-governmental actors being able to target militaries and be seen as legitimate in their actions.

But by definition the founders of the USA were terrorists. And they knew it too, viz. Benjamin Franklin's famous line 'Gentlemen, we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly hang separately.' Preemptively invalidating all non-state actors is just a way for people with power to avoid challenges to it. Every single oppressive regime describes rebels as terrorists and employs circular arguments to assert its ow…

> But by definition the founders of the USA were terrorists

I don’t remember reading any attacks on civilians in the revolutionary war. The civilians would have all been Americans, so it wouldn’t make sense.

The British regarded them as traitors, and would have hung them for treason and sedition.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by MxK234 »

Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

It's not terrorism, as Israel is targeting their enemies during war. Terrorism is targeting uninvolved civilians not during war.

The Hezbollah attack that started this war was an act of terrorism.

The Ukraine placing bombs in cities where the Russians are about to march in is not terrorism.

Having that said: It would be better if the Hezbollah could be stopped by other less cruel means. But war is ugly. The Hezbollah has started it so Israel has all the right to defend themselves. Even if it's cruel.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by runarberg »

zer8k wrote: post #811
mandmandam wrote: post #796

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Seriously, what is going on here?

Nobody needs to cite any statistics to proof that Muslims are in fact not more likely to commit terrorism. Claiming the need for such sources is hiding racism behind statistics, which is also a racist behavior. And on the flip-site citing any statistic to “proof” that Muslims to be more likely of terrorism is a fundamentally racist thing to do, and nobody should actually do that. The report you cited makes no such claim actually, it merely lists a number of terror organizations (with a western bias) and makes no conclusion about whether any group of peoples are more likely to commit terrorism. That was your leap of logic.

Terrorism is such a rare act that, and such an extreme act that any statistic is going to be dictated by either noise or third factors. If you find any group of peoples to be likelier to commit this act it is either because of random fluctuations or because of unrelated factors (including—and most likely because of—bias).

It is in fact a well known tactic among racists to hide their racism behind biased data. This goes well back to scientific racism of the 19th and 20th century, as well as among police districts justifying racial profiling (a deeply racist policy) in the 1980s and well into the 2000s.

I share your parent’s worry that we are having this debate here on HN, and that you are so willing to double down on an obviously racist idea.

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Post by w4 »

Larrikin wrote: post #521
borski wrote: post #389

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I grew up in NYC and definitely learned about Tulsa.

You are in the minority. Huge chunks of society were surprised by the Watchmen episode. My AP US History introduced the civil war section by saying despite his personal beliefs, he was teaching us to pass the exam and any discussion about the war being over slavery and not state's rights was a waste of class time as that would not get us a four or five on the test.

> My AP US History introduced the civil war section by saying despite his personal beliefs, he was teaching us to pass the exam and any discussion about the war being over slavery and not state's rights was a waste of class time as that would not get us a four or five on the test.

This is odd. When did you take the test? I was taught the civil war was about slavery in AP US History decades ago - including via primary sources - and got a 5 on the test.

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