Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

Post by andybak » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 11:57 AM UTC

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A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

The moment you put even the option of backdoors, some governments will abuse it heavily. What might be essential right to human communication might suddenly become "illegal" according to the government. So there should never ever be, under no circumstances, even the code and infra to be there to provide backdoor/censorships, otherwise it _will_ be abused by limiting people's communication in the moment they literally…

Post by ben_w » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 11:59 AM UTC

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To be clear, the legislation in France and in the EU that is most likely behind this arrest is that companies have to at least try to do some moderation. There is an understanding that not everything can be moderated (obviously, the entire Internet would be banned otherwise) but there has to be a genuine attempt. Which every company does more or less. The fact that Telegram doesn't reach this extremely low, very low…

Telegram is not a behemoth like Facebook so doesn't have their resources to moderate everything. Even Facebook isn't particularly good at it. They mostly rely on software which often produces false positives. This arrest is completely preposterous and is just an attempt to get Durov to play ball with France's privacy destroying authorities.

Post by twelve40 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 12:02 PM UTC

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> The russian government already has it for example. With the situation in Ukraine being what it is, wouldn't they be cracking down on Telegram usage in their country if this were true? They don't seem to be doing so, and the usage seems to be quite high.

Why should they crack down on Telegram? They tolerate it, as long as the high profile channels are broadcasting pro russian points of views. (everyone above a certain viewer size MUST register with the state, that goes for any site)

Post by anavat » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 12:06 PM UTC

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What prevents people from using Signal or Matrix to distribute drugs, besides serious usability issues?

Signal or Matrix don’t openly advertise channels next to you selling drugs from directly inside the application. Telegram does. The “people nearby” feature is literally “find me a dealer close by”.

Post by jorvi » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 12:09 PM UTC

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I think you are living on a different planet. I am pretty staunchly pro-privacy, but this arrest has little to do with > permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc) It is about drug sales and extremism, that last one being about alt right / anti-vaccine crazies / terrorism, whatever else extremism du jour.

That fact that you think that "alt right, anti-vaccine crazies" are extremist is the best example for not wanting people like you be able to censor anything.