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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kudokatz »

xethos wrote: post #654
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s ironic how the one company that is WAY over the top wrt secrecy — not only to the public, but also and especially internally (they’ve even walled the hardware team from the software team while developing the iPhone!) — is at the same time the one company that really nails integration.

People will scoff and say "Yeah, but all kinds of companies have internal firewalls, big deal". But no, these were literal walls that would appear over a weekend and suddenly part of the campus was off-limits to those not on the iPhone project.

I heard they did this for the Amazon Fire Phone, too

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Post by tavavex »

kolinko wrote: post #657
markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

As for government - depends on a country. In Poland we have an mCitizen (mObywatel) mobile app that allows to handle more things tear by year, and we have internet sites with unified citizen login for most of the other government interactions. The last time our IRS wanted sth from me, they just e-mailed me, I replied and the issue was solved in 5 minutes. Oh, and you don’t need any paper ids within the country - driv…

Sounds similar to what the Ukrainian government did with the Diya app (lit. "Act/Action" but also an abbreviation of "the country and me") a few years ago. It's an interesting trend to see Eastern Europe adopt this deep level of internet integration before the countries that pioneered that same internet.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by harry8 »

TreetopPlace wrote: post #522
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> "I trust Apple..."

I'm actually a little gobsmacked anyone on this forum can type those words without physically convulsing.

The even more terrible part is I'm sure it's common. And so via network externalities the rest of us who do NOT trust any of these companies on the basis that all of them, time and again, have shown themselves to be totally untrustworthy in all possible ways, will get locked into this lunacy. I now can't deal with the government without a smartphone controlled by either google or apple. No other choice. Because this utter insanity isn't being loudly called out, spat upon, and generally treated with the withering contempt that these companies have so richly and roundly earned this decision is being made for all society by the most naive among us.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by hot_gril »

dylan604 wrote: post #831
hot_gril wrote: post #737

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There's value in OS integration, but again, what are the real use cases? Memoji or whatever doesn't qualify. Apple has added a ton of features in recent years that I haven't used once. If it's going to manage my calendar in a way I can rely on or autocorrect will be smarter, that's useful.

If only they had shown examples of how they are integrating with calendars, emails, texts, photos. You should reach out to Apple's marketing department about producing better release videos that have examples of how the new features will be used. I bet they'd think it was a great idea!

I only read the article, didn't watch the 2hr video, and it's only marketing material. What it really does in my hands is tbd.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tavavex »

alberth wrote: post #124

Regarding OpenAI, has Apple in its history ever relied so heavily on a 3rd party for software features? (TSMC for hardware, but it seems very un-Apple to be so dependent upon someone else for software capabilities like OpenAI)

OpenAI seems like the last-chance fallback - in which case, they've already done the exact same thing with Siri trying to Google search your request if it couldn't do anything with it.

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harry8 wrote: post #853
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> "I trust Apple..." I'm actually a little gobsmacked anyone on this forum can type those words without physically convulsing. The even more terrible part is I'm sure it's common. And so via network externalities the rest of us who do NOT trust any of these companies on the basis that all of them, time and again, have shown themselves to be totally untrustworthy in all possible ways, will get locked into this lunacy.…

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by KerrAvon »

talldayo wrote: post #523
skhunted wrote: post #505

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I don’t follow your second to last paragraph. It’s called Apple Intelligence. If you want to use something else do so but don’t expect Apple to build its own product and let you use whatever you want for it. Clearly the goal for Apple is to eventually use its own models and be an entirely in house product.

> Clearly the goal for Apple is to eventually use its own models and be an entirely in house product. If that turns out anything like Siri, then surely you would understand why people want a bring-your-own-model framework.

If it's bad enough that you need to bring your own model, (a) Apple is toast, because this is, to some extent, the future; (b) you're hosed, because you can't optimize for battery life as well as Apple can.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tavavex »

vessenes wrote: post #373

I wonder what if any Developer support for “AI” — I need a better way to write that — ahem I - will have for accessing the personal data store. I’ve spent the last four years running up at collecting this data about myself, and, it’s hard, real hard to do a good job at it. I’d love to have an app I write be able to subscribe to this stream. It feels like a sort of perfect moat for Apple - they could say no on privac…

Ah, yes, "F8FF I" lol

More seriously, I think the SDK they've teased is only really intended for making their ready-made features integrate with your programs. If you want complete control, you'd probably have to write it the old way, or integrate it with some existing local LLM backend.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by lannisterstark »

epolanski wrote: post #393
asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

> There was one demo where you could talk to Siri about your mom and it would understand the context because of stuff that she (your mom) had written in one of her emails to you... that's the kind of stuff that I think we all imagined an AI world would look like. I can't but feel all of this super creepy.

As opposed to what: If you hired an actual human assistant, it wouldn't be?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by deepGem »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

One really powerful use case they demoed was that of meeting conflicts.

"Can you meet tonight at 7?" Me "oh yes" Siri "No you can't, your daughter's recital is at 7"

It's these integrations which will make life easier for those who deal with multiple personas all through their day.

But why partner with an outside company ? Even though it's optional on the device etc, people are miffed about the partnership than being excited by all that Apple has to offer.

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