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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by mrbungie »

teleforce wrote: post #845
foobar_______ wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The whole things reeks of being desperate. Half the video is jerking themselves off that they've done AI longer than anyone and they "release" (not actually available in most countries) a model that is only marginally better than the current GPT4 in cherry-picked metrics after nearly a year of lead-time?!?! That's your response? Ouch.

Have you seen the demo video, it is really impressive and AFAIK OpenAI does not has similar features product offering at the moment, demo or released. Google essentially claimed a novel approach of native multi-modal LLM unlike OpenAI non-native approach and doing so according to them has the potential to further improve LLM the state-of-the-art. They have also backup their claims in a paper for the world to see and…

I can use GPT-4 right now. Until I can use Gemini, I wouldn't believe Google a thing.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by thefourthchime »

brainwad wrote: post #675
ithkuil wrote: post #652

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Why do they gate access at country level if it's about language. I live in Europe and speak English just fine. Can't they just offer it in English only until the multi-language support is ready?

Launching anything as a big tech company in Europe is an absolute nightmare. Between GDPR, DSA, DMA and in Google's case, several EC remedies, it takes months to years to get anything launched.

That and the labor laws and very strict compared to the US. We have an office in Poland due to regulations most "employees" want to be contractors, this is due to a tax advantage / national healthcare I think. That said the offices in the US don't say it out loud, but in the EU seem to take a week off every other month for something.

At the end of the day, the employees have a much cushier life-work balance. You can argue (rightfully) that that's better for the people and society, but it also means it's harder for companies to succeed.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by alsodumb »

okish wrote: post #840

That plot is downright criminal https://imgur.com/a/GmbkDaz 86.4->89.8% = 1/3 of 89.8->90% ??? Great science + awful communication

It's just an UI issue. The plot looks fine (as in, correct Y-axis) when I opened the website on a landscape monitor.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by thefourthchime »

alberth wrote: post #457
EZ-E wrote: post #362

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Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

> "ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me" Would you mind elaborating more on this. Like how are you "searching" with ChatGPT?

I just did this responding to another comment. My late night / slightly drunk brain wanted to know:

"What is that annoying thing where I have to click on on all the websites. Because of cookies and Europe"

Google: Links to things full of SEO and ads and maybe answer the question eventually.

ChatGPT: The "annoying accept" button you often have to click on websites, particularly in Europe, is related to the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). The GDPR is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy in the European Union and the European Economic Area. It also addresses the transfer of personal data outside the EU and EEA areas.

Websites are required to get your consent before they can store or retrieve any information on your device, such as cookies. Cookies are small data files used to remember your preferences, login information, and browsing history. The GDPR mandates that websites must inform users about the cookies they use and obtain their consent before placing these cookies on their devices.

This is why you see those cookie consent notices – websites are legally obligated to ask for your permission to use cookies, and you must actively agree to it, usually by clicking an "Accept" button. This process aims to protect your privacy and give you more control over your personal data online.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by samr71 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #594
milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?

We're just gonna have UBI

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by magicalist »

riscy wrote: post #624
dfbrown wrote: post #515

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How real is it though? This blog post says In this post, we’ll explore some of the prompting approaches we used in our Hands on with Gemini demo video. which makes it sound like they used text + image prompts and then acted them out in the video, as opposed to Gemini interpreting the video directly. https://developers.googleblog.com/2023/12/how-its-made-gemin...

After reading this blog post, that hands-on video is just straight-up lying to people. For the boxcar example, the narrator in the video says to Gemini: > Narrator: "Based on their design, which of these would go faster?" Without even specifying that those are cars! That was impressive to me, that it recognized the cars are going downhill _and_ could infer that in such a situation, aerodynamics matters. But the blog…

What do you mean "Real Prompt"? Nowhere does it say these are the real prompts, it says

> In this post, we’ll explore some of the prompting approaches we used in our Hands on with Gemini demo video.

Not "here are the full prompts used in the video" or something like that.

None of the entries match up 1:1. And the response to the car example in the video doesn't even make sense in response to the prompt in the post (no mention of speed), and certainly isn't a trimmed portion of the response in the post.

The video has the disclaimer "For the purposes of this demo, latency has been reduced and Gemini outputs have been shortened for brevity". It would be weird to write that but not mention that neither the prompts nor responses shared even the same set of words in the same order with the "Real" prompts and responses.

I think your assumption is wrong on this one.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by ec109685 »

nuccy wrote: post #568
EZ-E wrote: post #358

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Out of curiosity I fed ChatGPT 4 a few of the challenges through a photo (unclear if Gemini takes live video feed as input but GPT does not afaik) and it did pretty well. It was able to tell a duck was being drawn at an earlier stage before Gemini did. Like Gemini it was able to tell where the duck should go - to the left path to the swan. Because and I quote "because ducks and swans are both waterfowl, so the swan d…

Gemini made a mistake, when asked if the rubber duck floats, it says (after squeaking comment): "it is a rubber duck, it is made of a material which is less dense than water". Nope... rubber is not less dense (and yes, I checked after noticing, rubber duck is typically made of synthetic vinyl polymer plastic [1] with density of about 1.4 times the density of water, so duck floats because of air-filled cavity inside a…

GPT also fails at this:

> Which weighs more a pound of feathers or a pound of feathers

Bard does better but still doesn't "get" it:

At least it recognizes its limitations:

> My reason for mentioning other materials was likely due to my training data, which contains a vast amount of information on various topics, including the concept of weight and density. As a large language model, I sometimes tend to draw on this information even when it is not directly relevant to the current task. In this case, I made the mistake of assuming that comparing feathers to another material would help clarify the point, but it only served to complicate the matter.

For ChatGPT if you ask it to solve it step by step, it does better: https://chat.openai.com/share/7810e5a6-d381-48c3-9373-602c14...

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by OJFord »

ithkuil wrote: post #652
SeanAnderson wrote: post #340

Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…

Why do they gate access at country level if it's about language. I live in Europe and speak English just fine. Can't they just offer it in English only until the multi-language support is ready?

The UK is both in Europe and not on the list, which would be even more of an oversight, so I don't think it's that.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by cdelsolar »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #128
__void wrote: post #70

it's really amazing how in IT we always recycle the same ten names... in the last three years, "gemini" refers (at least) to: - gemini protocol, the smolnet companion (gemini://geminiprotocol.net/ - https://geminiprotocol.net/ ) - gemini somethingcoin somethingcrypto (I will never link it) - gemini google's ML/AI (here we are)

yes crypto is so evil even linking to it would be unethical

lol
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