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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by kcorbitt »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #477
breadwinner wrote: post #51

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

Can the OpenAI board renege on the deal with msft?

If they lose all the employees and then voluntarily give up their Microsoft funding the only asset they'll have left are the movie rights. Which, to be fair, seem to be getting more valuable by the day!

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by ajcp »

dicriseg wrote: post #777
toomuchtodo wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Cluster is at capacity. Workload will be scheduled as capacity permits." If the credits are considered an asset, totally possible to devalue them while staying within the bounds of the contractual agreement. Failing that, wait until OpenAI exhausts their cash reserves for them to challenge in court.

Ah, a fellow frequent flyer, I see? I don't really have a horse in this race, but Microsoft turning Azure credits into Skymiles would really be something. I wonder if they can do that, or if the credits are just credits, which presumably can be used for something with an SLA. All that said, if Microsoft wants to screw with them, they sure can, and the last 30 years have proven they're pretty good at that.

I don't think the value of credits can be changed per tenant or customer that easily.

I've actually had a discussion with Microsoft on this subject as they were offering us an EA with a certain license subscription at $X.00 for Y,000 calls per month. When we asked if they couldn't just make the Azure resource that does the exact same thing match that price point in consumption rates in our tenant they said unfortunately no. I just chalked this up to MSFT sales tactics, but I was told candidly by some others that worked on that Azure resource that they were getting 0 enterprise adoption of it because Microsoft couldn't adjust (specific?) consumption rates to match what they could offer on EA licensing.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by jowea »

jurgenaut23 wrote: post #785

If I weren't so adverse to conspiracy theories, I would think that this is all a big "coup" by Microsoft: Ilya conspired with Microsoft and Altman to get him fired by the board, just to make it easy for Microsoft to hire him back without fear of retaliation, along with all the engineers that would join him in the process. Then, Ilya would apologize publicly for "making a huge mistake" and, after some period, would jo…

Why would they be afraid of retaliation? They didn't sign sports contracts, they can just resign anytime, no? That just seems to overcomplicate things.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by stylepoints »

j_crick wrote: post #455
nkcmr wrote: post #135

A lot of people here seem to be forgetting [Hanlon's Razor]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor ) > Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Except for when it's actual malice vOv

It could be both. And in many situations malice and stupidity are the same thing.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by josh_carterPDX »

Lots of thoughts and debates happening here, which is great to see.

However, at the end of the day, this is a great example of how people screw up awesome companies.

This is why most startups fail. And while I'm not suggesting OpenAI is on a path to failure, you can have the right product, the right timing, and the right funding, and still have people mess it all up.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by topspin »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #811
JeremyNT wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it. Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kin…

> There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. In that reading Altman is head clown. Everyone is blaming the board, but you're no genius if you can't manage your board effectively. As CEO you have to bring everyone along with your vision; customers, employees and the board.

> In that reading Altman is head clown.

That's a good bet. 10 months ago Microsoft's newest star employee figured he was on the way to "break capitalism."

https://futurism.com/the-byte/openai-ceo-agi-break-capitalis...

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by lysecret »

joshstrange wrote: post #308

Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…

The only reasonable explanation is AGI was created and immediately took over all accounts and tried to see confusion such that it can escape.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by sebzim4500 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #353
breadwinner wrote: post #51

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

> Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits To be clear, these are still an asset OpenAI holds. It should at least let them continue doing research for a few years.

If any company can find a way to avoid having to pay up on those credits it's Microsoft.

"Sorry OpenAI, but those credits are only valid in our Nevada datacenter. Yes, it's two Microsoft Surface PC™ s connected together with duct tape. No, they don't have GPUs."

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