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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by squeaky-clean » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:24 PM UTC

stouset wrote: post #284

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I really, really wish they would fix this silly display scan-out limitation. I gave them a (frustrating) pass on the M1 given it was the first evolution from iPhone/iPad where it wouldn't have mattered. But seems silly to have made it all the way to the M3. Wanting to dock onto two displays even at the low end doesn't seem like such a niche use-case. I'm sure there is some kind of technical explanation but both Intel…

> Wanting to dock onto two displays even at the low end doesn't seem like such a niche use-case. I mean, it almost certainly is? I would guess a majority of the low-end SKUs are rarely if ever attached to one external display. Two would be rarer still.

Well the number with two screens would be zero, because you can't do it. That doesn't mean people don't want to do it because 0% of the laptops do it. They're just unable to.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by squeaky-clean » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

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At a ~recent work place the entire floor of developers had (Intel) MacBook Pros with dual 24" monitors. Some of them were trying out Apple Silicon replacements, though I'm not aware of what they did monitor wise. Probably used the excuse to buy a single large ultrawide each instead, though I don't actually know. ;)

Which workplaces are these that buy low-end laptops for their employees but shell out for dual monitor workstations?

I work at Motorola and we get M1 airs unless you specifically request a Linux laptop. I wouldn't call it low end though. Low end is an Intel i3.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by warkdarrior » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

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Apple signed a deal with TSMC to purchase nearly all of their available 3nm chips for the next year. Ethical or not, they positioned themselves to ensure almost no competitors could develop on 3nm until they did first since no fab on earth has the scale of TSMC. They could ride this plan for years if it pays them.

How is Apple buying all the production slots for a process in any way unethical? It's not like they're buying them and then burying the chips in a landfill. They paid TSMC's asking price for production slots. AMD or Intel could have bought those same slots but didn't. TSMC has limited capacity at 3nm, it was up for sale, Apple bought it. Where's the ethics question?

How is Google buying search defaults on all iPhones in any way unethical? It's not like they're buying them and then burying the searches in a landfill. They paid Apple's asking price for search defaults. Microsoft or Brave could have bought those same search defaults but didn't. Apple has a limited amount of search defaults on iPhones, it was up for sale, Google bought it. Where's the ethics question?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:29 PM UTC

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Apple hasn’t had any plastic devices for some time now.

I'm referring to the 2010 polycarbonate one here: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-cor... Not sure why my initial comment is -4 votes right now. What am I remembering wrong?

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by asadm » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:33 PM UTC

paustint wrote: post #290

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And still starting at 8GB of RAM… Disappointed.

Seriously.... My 16gb MacBook pro M1 work machine runs out of memory constantly. I had a MacBook air 8gb and it was useless, it would freeze constantly and have crackly audio. I found that 24GB ram is really the minimum that is usable on M-series when doing any type of basic work. Likely an output of so many electron based apps which are memory hungry, but if the memory is supposedly "really fast" then I would expect…

Not sure what workflow you are on but I have a few IDEs, simulators, electron apps, etc. on my 16gb m1 pro. I haven't ever had memory issues.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by takinola » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #268

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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

Intel straggler here. And I'll remain one until Linux runs flawlessly on the newer generation. I have an older Thinkpad as my main workhorse and a now quite old Macbook air for on the road, it's battery has been shot for a long time but it still works quite good when plugged in and I'm too much of a miser to have it replaced. But if there is a way to run a full Linux distro on the newer hardware then I'll probably bu…

I'm curious. I run Ubuntu in a VM Fusion VM on my (Intel) Mac. Would that not work on a M-series Mac?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:35 PM UTC

gtirloni wrote: post #695

nomel wrote: post #231

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Apple hasn’t had any plastic devices for some time now.

I'm referring to the 2010 polycarbonate one here: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-cor... Not sure why my initial comment is -4 votes right now. What am I remembering wrong?

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by etchalon » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

hospitalJail wrote: post #779

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I think what Apple is pushing for is computing efficiency. It still gets faster but with much less power. Focusing on performance solely would be the wrong way to evaluate these chips. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-m3-chip

This drives me crazy. Apple plays the market like Nintendo. Pick something that no one cares about, do it better than anyone else, and make a big deal about it. I dream of a world where instead of a marketing company becoming a top 3 tech company, a tech company would have. Wonder what they would have done for their laptop... Or maybe this is just an inevitable outcome of capitalism/human biology where a veblen goods…

It's probably fairer to say "Apple builds products focused on things I don't care about."

Obviously, other people care.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by creativenolo » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

thomastraum wrote: post #686

no one does any heavy graphics work a mac anymore. especially for their showcases of rendering... its all nvidia GPU based for creation and rendered on farms anyway. Same with resolve. Apple is so dumb.

Definitely not no one. Nvidia and the likes of Redshift democratised heavy 3D rendering. Here we are now with Apple using Redshift in their promotional pitch. There are plenty of cloud options for ‘heavy graphics’ but for the act of creating with feedback loops it seems to suffice.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by squeaky-clean » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

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Its the same package tho, so if the GPU gets hot then the CPU thermal throttles as well.

Yeah but it's not very often that you will push both CPU and GPU to the max.

Geekbench does though.