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Post by dangrossman »

joenot443 wrote: post #756
lastofthemojito wrote: post #228

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Infuriatingly, Hulu sometimes shows ads even with their more expensive "No Ads" plans: https://help.hulu.com/s/article/ads-no-commercials

>Due to streaming rights, a few shows in the Hulu streaming library will include a short ad break before and after each episode for Hulu (No Ads) subscribers. Man, that is aggravating. Blaming it on "streaming rights" as well, what a crock!

It's one single show out of the 2500+ in their catalog, one they licensed before the "no ads" offering existed (Grey's Anatomy). It's neither aggravating nor a crock.

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Post by andreygrehov »

cma wrote: post #452
andreygrehov wrote: post #82

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That was a sarcasm. I should have stated that he doesn't care as much as other companies. Elon, being the richest person on the planet, is uniquely positioned and has a competitive advantage. He can risk losing ad revenue to achieve his goals - minimize censorship and create a super-app.

"Whoever thought owning the libs would be cheap never tried owning a social media company" https://i.redd.it/6m0sgmktewab1.jpg Yeah, sounds super focused on free speech. And Threads censored from Twitter search and before that Mastodon?

> And Threads censored from Twitter search

Where did you get that conspiracy theory from?

To verify your information, I did a search on Twitter with the keyword threads. The search returned thousands of tweets. In fact, the very first tweet is a WSJ article describing how Threads may kill Twitter soon. Further, I searched for the hashtag #threads. The search returned all the tweets hashtagged with #threads.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

dangrossman wrote: post #851
joenot443 wrote: post #756

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>Due to streaming rights, a few shows in the Hulu streaming library will include a short ad break before and after each episode for Hulu (No Ads) subscribers. Man, that is aggravating. Blaming it on "streaming rights" as well, what a crock!

It's one single show out of the 2500+ in their catalog, one they licensed before the "no ads" offering existed (Grey's Anatomy). It's neither aggravating nor a crock.

I've never seen this show, yet it seems we are unable to convince Hulu accept enough money to not show ads. Some parts, like the Live TV addon are almost understandable, but still…disappointing. Especially when the not actually watching live (via start-over or 'recording') yet the ads are somehow still unskippable. Other times, a random item on a network where we've not seen ads wild suddenly have ads.

And there's usually no way to know before trying to watch something if it will be bastardised by ads. We could try revealing the progressbar every time we start a show, to look for the yellow marks that indicate ads…but somehow always just watch until the first frustration appears, and then decide whether to continue. At least some pay-extra addon channels can be relied on to not have ads (unless you count a leader that tells about some other show that channel has).

Hulu and Prime seem very much "FU, pay me.". Especially Prime, with all the attempts to get me to either rent-or-'buy' or watch things with ads, and making it increasingly difficult to identify or find items that are included with the existing subscriptions.

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Post by lastofthemojito »

dangrossman wrote: post #851
joenot443 wrote: post #756

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Due to streaming rights, a few shows in the Hulu streaming library will include a short ad break before and after each episode for Hulu (No Ads) subscribers. Man, that is aggravating. Blaming it on "streaming rights" as well, what a crock!

It's one single show out of the 2500+ in their catalog, one they licensed before the "no ads" offering existed (Grey's Anatomy). It's neither aggravating nor a crock.

That list has dwindled, which is good. It definitely used to have more shows on it - when I experienced this issue a few years ago it was not with Grey's Anatomy. Still, it's just jarring for them to have an ad-supported tier and and a "no ads" tier, with the "no ads" tier having a big ol' asterisk and "well, really almost no ads, but you still might see some".

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Post by midoridensha »

carlosjobim wrote: post #454
midoridensha wrote: post #453

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You can't? The rare times I look on Facebook, I don't see any ads.

Please let me know what's your setup. On macOS and iOS, those are the only two that are defeating all my ad-blockers.

Linux/Firefox/uBlock Origin (I don't use FB on my phone, but I had to I'd use Firefox Nightly/uBO, but I haven't tried it)

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by jocaal »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #323
jocaal wrote: post #316

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In economics there is a concept, profit maximization, where it is determined at which prices the products will, well maximize profits, by taking into account marginal changes in supply and demand. I would be very surprised if the big ad companies didnt have a few economists do the calculations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization?wprov=sfla...

I'd be even more suprised if the profit maximization point when prices and the demand for ad spots were both down involved an even higher supply of ad spots for sale. Finding the right level to decrease supply by would be a tricky calculation to get right, but in no way could the right move be to further flood the market with supply.

You have to remember economics is a model and not exactly how reality works, there are many examples where you will find the supply demand curves arent linear and there are also other things to take into account. Companies can artificially move the demand curves, for example the ad companies can change the quality requirements of what ads they allow, creating more demand. These calculations are best done with real numbers and experiments, kinda like A/B testing and I would guess that the ad companies have such infrastructure
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