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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by ryao »

Sharlin wrote: post #610
djbusby wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The C committee started after the various compiler implementations. Rust seems to have had the committee before the compiler.

Definitely not. C was born in a different context, and these days it's not common for any language to have multiple competing implementations, certainly not in its early years. C needed the standard because there were many implementations, JavaScript needed a standard because there were many implementations, but Python or C# or Rust or Java don't have a standard (although there are technical specifications of differe…

There were plenty of different FORTRAN compilers back then too.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by yawaramin »

pdimitar wrote: post #848
yawaramin wrote: post #847

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Yeah, it's an isolated incident just like all the other isolated incidents in Rust. Anyone remember the Rust Foundation trademark oopsie literally a month ago where the RF wanted to control in fine detail the usage of the name and logo?

Well I for one had no clue about it. Shows you how interesting the average dev feels such things are.

Yeah, unless they happen to be in the Rust community, or be Rust users or selling services related to Rust, etc. etc.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by pdimitar »

yawaramin wrote: post #852
pdimitar wrote: post #848

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Well I for one had no clue about it. Shows you how interesting the average dev feels such things are.

Yeah, unless they happen to be in the Rust community, or be Rust users or selling services related to Rust, etc. etc.

Not sure what you're saying, truthfully. Could you please clarify?

My point is the same: most people don't care (and I mean 99.99%; what we've seen in the last days is basically high school drama and no aduy takes such feuds seriously).

The only real danger is that strong contributors leave. We the working Rust devs could feel that at some point in the future.

But even that possibility isn't that scary. Rust is quite mature in many ways already. Most innovation happens in libraries at this point.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by adrianN »

snovv_crash wrote: post #665
xyzzyz wrote: post #484

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Rust is winning market from C and C++ precisely because of strong technical leadership and direction. It couldn’t have made much progress by taking similar hands off approach as C, because C is already more than good enough C.

Rust is winning marketshare because it was built ground-up to take advantage of the massive progression of Moore's Law at compile time. Compiling programs written in Rust would have been completely infeasible 20 years ago, it would have simply been too slow.

C++ doesn't compile that much faster than Rust.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by Sharlin »

ryao wrote: post #851
Sharlin wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not. C was born in a different context, and these days it's not common for any language to have multiple competing implementations, certainly not in its early years. C needed the standard because there were many implementations, JavaScript needed a standard because there were many implementations, but Python or C# or Rust or Java don't have a standard (although there are technical specifications of differe…

There were plenty of different FORTRAN compilers back then too.

It just was a completely different era. There was no consept of what we today call open source, no compilers freely available over the internet, no internet to speak of for that matter, no cross-platform/multi-platform compilers to speak of, more platform diversity than now, FORTRAN was also a vastly smaller language so you could have implemented a compiler in a reasonable time if you didn't want to shell out $BIGBUCKS to buy one, optimizers (which are deep magic and really hard to write from scratch) weren't yet a thing, there were no standardization bodies that worked on programming languages, everything was vastly less connected than today. That obviously leads to redundant work.

No matter, the point is that nothing has ever stopped anyone from writing a competing Rust compiler, certainly not any imaginary "committee." Nothing except the fact that, besides mrustc, nobody has bothered because why would you do that?

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by account42 »

croes wrote: post #420
rgbgraph wrote: post #398

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Wow, no kidding: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vxgzrl/changes_in_the... Mod response: > For all those wondering about removed comments, there was some trolling going on which was summarily removed by the mods. > Please avoid any trolling and/or drama seeking comments and remember our subreddit rules. "Trolling" on display in the archives of that thread: https://www.reveddit.com/v/rust/comments/vxgzrl/changes…

Since micro aggressions are a thing number 2 is hardly possible.

Your assumptions about micro-aggressions existing are wrong. "Don't be an asshole" is (or should be) about how you act towards others not how others perceive your actions. If someone wants to be offended, that's them not being cool.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by account42 »

di4na wrote: post #670
mwcampbell wrote: post #597

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Any examples of how this happens in practice with software projects? Actually curious about this.

Have you remarked how few software projects, even big and visible, handle privacy well, especially if you consider things like stalking? And then what happens to the people that come talk about it in these groups? The people are pushed out because "their concerns are not something this project is about". Which is consensus and focused on getting results right?

That's just vague accusations/opinions, zero examples.

Perhaps you are afraid that other people might not come to the same conclusions if you let them make their own judgements?

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by account42 »

TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #813
More-nitors wrote: post #681

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this whole "woke" mentality is going out of hand too fast... I mean, someone bullying some veterans/old men because they're "woke and feminist" isn't going to earn any sympathy from me. nowadays... "woke" just means "I'm better than you (so I can/will do things that are otherwise unacceptable to you)" ...I think we chose the wrong word. Rather than "woke", it should have been "NO BULLYING" -- which includes all thing…

Generally, these days "woke" is a word that regressive bullying assholes use to insult people.

Except if you actually look as things it's usually the "woke" elements that best fit the definition of bullying.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by account42 »

lyu07282 wrote: post #835
ra1231963 wrote: post #445

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> Nothing against that sort of mindset in theory, but it sometimes leads to a certain irrational hypersensitive intolerant mob behavior and authoritarian/anti democratic tendencies. Really? Nothing against a thing that leads to hypersensitive intolerant mob behavior and authoritarian/anti democratic tendencies!?

well its a difficult terminology to use because the right/conservative people are of course also against sjw/woke ideology. The distinction is that I'm criticizing very specific tendencies of some people whom could be best described as woke, not the underlying ideology. Such as when they weaponize privilege, language, race or sexuality in order to achieve some secondary unrelated or overarching goal. It's "the ends j…

> It is very difficult to use the terminology even though it is the most accurate, because conservatives are the most loud adversaries of it, but they are just hateful racists, bigots, ableists, sexists, transphobes, homophobes, islamophobes, xenophobes, etc. Which of course invalidates everything they ever say.

Perhaps you should re-evaluate these assumptions and actually listen to people before you dismiss them.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by account42 »

n8henrie wrote: post #779
Larrikin wrote: post #660

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The term at this point is so twisted that your question is like asking if there a similarly succinct word one can use for the N word. Looking for an alternative that means the same thing is incompatible with it being inoffensive

It looks like your comment may have been removed(?), but I thought its last sentence or two was recommending that the parent poster search their vocabulary for something less laden with negative connotation. Based on this, I was hoping you'd have a suggestion. I think your analogy to the "N word" makes it difficult to assume good faith, but if it were possible to do so regarding "woke," is there a way to refer to tha…

> It looks like your comment may have been removed(?)

You can enable showdead in your profile settings (click on your username) to view [dead] comments. With enough karma you can also vouch for them which might result in the comment being revived.

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