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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by klyrs »

overrun11 wrote: post #816
phone8675309 wrote: post #783

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Not surprising. You're on a forum full of techies and tech execs. It's like the people in Hollywood incredulous that #metoo movement was a thing because "they didn't know anyone like that!" until their coworkers and friends were outed. Same here - techies shocked, _shocked_ that one of "their own" could commit a crime like this. Easier for them to talk about crime in general than lay blame at the feet on one of "thei…

Are you suggesting that committing murder and violent crime is pervasive among tech executives?

Great question! How do tech executives compare to the SF general population this year, in murders per 100k?

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Post by anigbrowl »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #103
carrja99 wrote: post #81

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Shit, I wish I hadn't read those. I didn't need that today.

I would recommend just never going on Twitter, for any reason. People are less racist on 4chan these days.

That's because the 4chan/pol/ crowd are actively pushing into Twitter; for all practical purposes it's the biggest chan raid of all time, except that it's largely at the invitation of Twitter's owner. Once again linking this excellent paper on the dynamics of intergroup aggression in virtual spaces: https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03697

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Post by BurningFrog »

jstarfish wrote: post #599
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I have no evidence beyond gut feel, but I think the tech population is probably above average in mental illness.

Someone on Metafilter(?) once suggested a high overlap between IT personnel and libertarians. It has been interesting to consider but after decades of observation I don't think it's a political thing-- I think tech attracts a disproportionate number of textbook Narcissists. Those fuckers crave power. We have absolute control over entire ecosystems. At first it's freedom for all, but then we turn into dictators regard…

Writing software is spending all day literally giving commands to be obeyed.

I suspect there is a subset of us that really enjoys that in a not completely healthy way.

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Post by hnav »

confidantlake wrote: post #830
hnav wrote: post #820

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In other words avoid density and transit. Best way to avoid bs in one of the densest cities in the US is to hang in the burbs.

The tenderloin is a tiny part of the city that is easily avoided. Plenty of dense places that are nice too.

I would disagree. I walk, drive and ride all over SF, including TL/SOMA because I'm not too squeamish and it's on the way between a lot of pairs of destinations.

I can tell you that if you took these 3 maps and overlaid them you'd have an SF sketchiness map.

Flat-land -> easy walking, access for transients

Transit -> access for transients

Zoned for density -> lower civic engagement, more likely to end up losing out and getting navigation centers and needle exchanges.

https://sites.google.com/site/sloanestopolesson/_/rsrc/14449... https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/imumv8YZu7u... https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5eaf1365b8d39c82c3777a8b/5eb...

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Post by uoaei »

vkou wrote: post #179
simplotek wrote: post #114

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> SF may have big issues but using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. What political beliefs are you referring to? The one about SF's crime wave sounds precisely on topic, for example. Edit: those downvotes were very quick.

The piss on the homeless views always get aired whenever a homeless person does something bad, or is accused, without evidence of doing something bad. It's couched in 'the woke are ruining everything letting murderhobos run rampart' rhetoric. Sometimes with a helping of 'the police are completely unable to function if we subject them to any oversight, or hold them accountable to the rule of law.' You see this take ve…

If you talk to actual cops, they're burnt out and quiet quitting like the rest of us. Scope creep has been marching steadily over the past decades: we're asking them to do too much; they're not trained for many of the kinds of interactions that they find so taxing. It would be better for everyone if they offloaded that work to others who are better qualified. This means giving police less money, and giving other services more money.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

anigbrowl wrote: post #801
misssocrates wrote: post #718

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What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

More than you'd think. You're more likely to be murdered by someone you know than a stranger. iirc it's something like ~55% chance of someone you know, ~25% chance of a family member, ~45% chance of a stranger (which could be anything from drug deals gone bad to serial killers). You can delve into the data but but the format isn't the same for every year so it might be some work to normalize: https://www.fbi.gov/how-…

Yeah, this is something that frustrates me in every discussion about crime. People take a murder rate of X per hundred people and use that to argue that you have an X% chance of being murdered walking down the street. Except that's not true, because like you point out, your odds of being murdered by a rando are way lower than the murder rate as a whole!

This is exactly why the reactionary push for police in response to the murder spike in 2020 and 2021 made no sense. The issue wasn't that people were going out and murdering more — it was that they were locked down in their homes with the people most likely to murder them. You can't fix that by adding more beat cops.

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Post by quantified »

digitaltrees wrote: post #838
misssocrates wrote: post #718

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What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

Umm. Lots of entrepreneurs have both mental health problems and use drugs. Especially use drugs.

Use the drugs that make you violent or so in need that they need to rob to get their next fix? Or the ones that make you think a lot and eat lots of tacos?

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Post by kragen »

carapace wrote: post #708
kragen wrote: post #519

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so how do you avoid getting knifed by a junkie in the alleyway? this is important information to me

I lived in the Tenderloin for a bit after high school. First and foremost, avoid alleyways, avoid junkies . It seems like simple advice and it is. What I learned as a nerdy white kid living in TL was that there is a largely non-verbal communication system, a kind of thieves' cant (although, as I mentioned, it's largely non-verbal, almost like a sign language but with subtle facial expressions and body postures rather…

thank you very much! it was very interesting indeed

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Post by kcplate »

roundandround wrote: post #741
kcplate wrote: post #735

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> But the city’s violent crime rate is at a near-historic low, and is lower than most mid-to-large-sized cities. Wow, more evidence that this is a city in the US?

I have walked around my city in the US for decades and can count on one hand the number of times, I have seen crime happen live and in person on our streets. In a recent single trip to SF that was just a few days, I can say I saw perhaps a half dozen active crimes. Also of note, i have seen public urination only once here, but saw it twice in between the airport and my hotel in SF.

Live where ya want and how you want, but let’s not pretend SF is no different than other places in the US. It is, and frankly it’s shocking and blows my mind that people pretend it’s normal.

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Post by juliusgeo »

jakeinspace wrote: post #803

I haven’t been to SF in 10+ years, but I grew up in a (more) dangerous American city. I’m curious how much of the panic over public safety in the Bay Area is massively skewed by upper middle class immigrants (from safer suburban America, or from other countries) getting their first taste of American urban life. I don’t want to sound too dismissive, American cities are really dangerous and impoverished compared to wha…

I have only lived for extensive periods of time in two cities: SF (2 years about) and Philadelphia (4 years). The biggest difference between them is that even in some of the worst areas of Philadelphia in terms of drug crime, there were far fewer people actively dealing or doing drugs on the streets in large groups. It was more spread out—there were issues in all areas of the city, but there was no area with the sheer concentration of say the Tenderloin or SOMA. There were basically no differences in terms of the transit systems—I don’t think BART or MUNI are any worse than SEPTA.
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