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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by PoignardAzur »

Zababa wrote: post #747
PoignardAzur wrote: post #618

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> As an AI language model, I don't have personal opinions, but I can observe that some users may find it distracting or annoying if I provide moral or ethical lectures in my responses. Wait wait wait. Why does it say "observe"? Like, for everything else in the answer I kind of get what the generation process is, but why does it say "I can observe"? Its text corpus is a few months/years old AFAIK, it hasn't been train…

LLM work in only one way: try to predict what's said next. ChatGPT talks like a human because it has been trained on text written by human. What it "says" has no basis in reality, it doesn't check an internal state. It could say "I feel X" if this is what it predicted.

> LLM work in only one way: try to predict what's said next.

Yes, obviously, but it's still trained to say certain things and not others. And it does check an internal state, one that's derived from its GBs of parameters in its attention layers and from all the previous tokens; what it doesn't have is persistent internal state apart from the previously emitted tokens.

So it's not completely pointless to ask "why did it use this specific word or turn of phrase?"

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by varjag »

Aeolun wrote: post #842
varjag wrote: post #815

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This is increasingly less feasible with fleet managed corporate devices.

You can let your personal laptop be managed, but it’d kinda be a waste of money right?

Quite often there's simply no profile for certain hardware/software configurations. And yes, good luck resuscitating it once it was bricked one Friday with a surprise lay-off.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by TapWaterBandit »

ric2b wrote: post #824
TapWaterBandit wrote: post #729

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This guy is a fool and doesn't have a good system for evaluating value. If he wouldn't pay $20 a month to prevent tooth decay, he clearly is the type who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Which toothbrush is so much better than a regular one that it would be the difference between tooth decay or not? It's mostly up to how often you brush and floss, not how many LED's your toothbrush has.

You have misread his comment. Look at the last bit:

> What kind of crazy value would you expect something to have in order to be worth $20/mo?

The implication of that is that of tootnhcare cost more than $20 a month he wouldn't do it. Which is crazy, the expected return from brushing your teeth is well above $20 a month.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by danuker »

albert180 wrote: post #646
danuker wrote: post #598

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Indeed. People in developing countries might learn what the public school system should have taught them, with a free private tutor that is ChatGPT or similar.

ChatGPT can't even reliably tell how many times a letter is in a word. I doubt it will be a reliable tutor

The public school system in my country still teaches that the tongue has areas sensitive to specific tastes.

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Post by bombolo »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #292
dragonwriter wrote: post #278

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> And it's cheaper than $20/month, Since the $20/month is for priority access to new features and priority access including during high-load times, not API access (a separatr offering not yet available), I don't understand the cost comparison. What you are proposing does not substitute for any part of the $20/month offering over the basic free product.

He's a programmer. They re cheaper than scrooge. They'll write a tool themselves in 6 months rather than spend 10 dollars. Idk why but programmers are the cheapest people on earth in regards to programming tools. I bought Intellij idea for $400 like 12 years ago and got made fun of at work even though it made me substantially faster than eclipse.

> I bought Intellij idea for $400 like 12 years ago and got made fun of at work even though it made me substantially faster than eclipse.

And? You have 400$ less than them.

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Post by bombolo »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #566
sesm wrote: post #451

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I’m paying about €200/year for Jetbrains Toolbox. This gives me a set of IDEs, one of which I’m using daily. And that’s less money than ChatGPT is asking.

Yeah but JetBrains isn't writing your code for you. This is a whole other level of technology that you cannot compare to something that exists already.

ChatGPT isn't writing correct code. But it is making the copyright ownership open to lawsuits.

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Post by stavros »

bombolo wrote: post #855
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #292

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He's a programmer. They re cheaper than scrooge. They'll write a tool themselves in 6 months rather than spend 10 dollars. Idk why but programmers are the cheapest people on earth in regards to programming tools. I bought Intellij idea for $400 like 12 years ago and got made fun of at work even though it made me substantially faster than eclipse.

> I bought Intellij idea for $400 like 12 years ago and got made fun of at work even though it made me substantially faster than eclipse. And? You have 400$ less than them.

What is the benefit of cash you never use?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by stavros »

zxienin wrote: post #816
extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

> model: "text-davinci-003" I was surprised at first, but I notice you're using GPT-3 model, not chatGPT (no API so far)

I'm not convinced that there's any substantial difference between the two.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by 300bps »

fleddr wrote: post #627
300bps wrote: post #281

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No. I'm a salaried employee. Marginal time/effort savings do not directly translate into more money for me. I am also a salaried employee and if I can save a minute of work time that’s one less minute I have to work. I have a body of work I need to complete and sometimes that takes me 40 hours and sometimes much more. The only way I can think of that $20 per month for increased productivity doesn’t help is if your co…

Most jobs require you to be available for 8 hours. So you can't work hyper productively and then quit for the day at 2PM. You need to show up for the 4PM meeting as well as the continuous storm of incoming chats. This is why productivity improvements feel so meh. For people that are hyper competitive and ambitious, it's a way to tackle more and bigger challenges. Fine. For others though, the benefits do not really ma…

For people that are hyper competitive and ambitious, it's a way to tackle more and bigger challenges. Fine.

I agree that hyper competitive and ambitious people might do this. I would add though that curious and passionate people will also do this.

I'll be honest... if I weren't getting paid to be a software engineer I'd do it for free. Like I did when I was 13 years old with my 300 bps modem creating a BBS program.

This leads me to do all kinds of crazy things like work 6 hours on a Saturday because I am quite simply fascinated about the level of engineering I can do to turn an 18 hour batch process into 4.

It's been extremely lucrative for my career. I'm fortunate to work somewhere that is truly pay for performance. But not in a million years is that why I do it.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

sterlind wrote: post #219
kokanee wrote: post #149

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$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

It's going to hit so unevenly. My partner works with children at a homeless shelter, I'm an algorithm designer. I'm certain my job will be obsolete before my partner's is. It's going to automate away nearly all pure desk jobs. Starting with data entry, like you've seen, but it'll come for junior SDEs and data scientists too. Customer service, then social media/PR, then marketing, as it culls the white collar. Graphic…

Also ChatGPT is way way better in English than even other common European languages for which it sounds like poorly translated English. So it's also going to hit very differently outside the Anglosphere.
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