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FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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I’ve defended crypto countless times here and I still believe in the ideology and the decentralized mission But man…what a clownshow.

Genuine question: which cryptocurrencies and/or crypto companies do you still believe in? Which part of the space still stands a chance?

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Even Coinbase?

I feel perfectly fine having my crypto stored on Coinbase’s end. As far as I know their business model makes perfect sense and they don’t take the weirdly big risks all of these falling dominoes have. Also, if Coinbase goes bankrupt and takes everyone’s crypto with them I feel everything will crash to essentially 0.

A week ago someone could have said that about FTX. Loaning customer assets was explicitly disallowed in their TOS, and was not something I had even heard rumors they were doing (though I'm not that up on crypto rumors).

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Sounds like he forgot about the principle of diminishing returns. If you have $1B to your name, it's stupid to put it all on red, even if your expected return is positive.

Diminishing returns don't apply for SBF - his life's goal is to fund effective altruist charities, so each billion is as valuable as the last as long as there are good projects to fund. I don't think people are comprehending how tragic this whole situation is (acknowledging that it's SBF's fault). This collapse put the brakes on a powerful force for good, and lives that would have been saved won't anymore.

Most obscenely rich people in history attempt to redeem their reputation at some point through philanthropy, from Nobel to Gates. It’s an old story and the guilt which leads to philanthropy doesn’t justify the means.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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I made a comment on that video elsewhere. It’s pretty clear they were way out of their league in more ways than one. They’re the type of people that are too smart for their own good where they can’t even see how idiotic they’re being. Or maybe they’re just spoiled. Or maybe they just think they’re smart. It’s interesting to me that Jane Street prides themselves on their hiring process, but they apparently hire folks…

I agree, it reflects VERY poorly on Jane Street. They like to give the impression they hire Ultra Mega Geniuses who have done the IMO (who cares if you did the IMO at age 17...?)

How does it reflect poorly on Jane Street? These are people who left, after not very long.

If your thesis is "they were inexperienced and operating without sufficient supervision" then that's a big part of what the structure of a place like Jane Street gets you.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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In this case, jail. He openly talked about how the whole thing was a Ponzi scheme. https://youtu.be/KZYqL79GDXU?t=1277

That’s not what he’s saying in that clip. From Levine’s column yesterday: > “People on Twitter now are like “he admitted that FTX is a Ponzi!” but of course that’s not true. He conceded a certain validity to my claim that some crypto businesses — not his — are Ponzis. He is just in the business of trading their tokens. “In fact, I came away from that conversation bullish on FTX and Bankman-Fried. My view was, and is,…

> You want someone whose perspective is driven by markets, not ideology

That's a pretty funny statement. Markets are ideology.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Howdy HN, as some of you may know from previous comments of mine, I’m always on the hunt for swag from dead companies (Lehman Brothers letterhead, Theranos shirts, Clinkle phone case, Enron desk art, et al). The more fraudulent the collapse, the more interested I am.

I’d love to get ahead of the ball on this one so if anyone here has any, and I mean any, FTX swag you somehow have picked up over the years, I’m a very motivated buyer. I’d also do unspeakable things for swag from any one of the subsidiaries on that absolutely ludicrous flow chart I’ve seen floating around.

I’m serious.

And whatever you do, don’t sell it to /u/filmgirlcw, she is also a collector of deadco swag, and thus my competition here.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Coinbase appears now to be relatively boring, highly regulated, and compliant with US laws. I think they'll be fine.

So was FTX US.

Can people not get money out of FTX US? I thought it was a completely separate from FTX intl because it had to comply with regulations and whatnot.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Diminishing returns don't apply for SBF - his life's goal is to fund effective altruist charities, so each billion is as valuable as the last as long as there are good projects to fund. I don't think people are comprehending how tragic this whole situation is (acknowledging that it's SBF's fault). This collapse put the brakes on a powerful force for good, and lives that would have been saved won't anymore.

> Diminishing returns don't apply for SBF - his life's goal is to fund effective altruist charities, so each billion is as valuable as the last as long as there are good projects to fund. Let's be honest: we don't know what his life goals are. He said that his goal is to fund charities, but that's a pretty common thing for wealthy people in the U.S. to say because saying so gives you a lot of social status at no cost…

We don't know what his life goals were, but we do know that he was sending a huge amount of money via the FTX Future Fund, granting it to a wide range of projects. That whole team resigned yesterday: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xafpj3on76uRDoBja/...

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Diminishing returns don't apply for SBF - his life's goal is to fund effective altruist charities, so each billion is as valuable as the last as long as there are good projects to fund. I don't think people are comprehending how tragic this whole situation is (acknowledging that it's SBF's fault). This collapse put the brakes on a powerful force for good, and lives that would have been saved won't anymore.

Well he failed miserably at that. If he had stuck with his original supposed $1 billion, he could have given almost all of it away and still lived a very comfortable life. As it stands now, his charitable foundation has pledged far less than $1 billion (at it remains to be seen just how much it pledged actually gets paid out). Perhaps if he had spent more time donating money (his stated aim) rather than inventing con…

There are lots of reasons to be mad and lots of red flags, but having over a hundred companies is pretty normal in this space. To operate a financial business legally across many jurisdictions you generally need to have subsidiaries in each jurisdiction. Ex: https://wise.com/help/articles/2974131/what-are-the-wise-gro...

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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I've seen some comments saying that this is all delayed fallout from the Luna/Terra collapse last spring, it's just that FTX had the means (its own token that it could pump and move around its own entities) to paper over the hole in its balance sheet until now. Can anyone more familiar with the situation elaborate? How much further will the contagion spread?

I think there's a real chance of the entire market going pretty close to zero. The market was only ever suspended by pure belief. If the belief is shattered it's over. There's no earnings report or central bank bailout to stem the tide. The market is in freefall. And the only thing keeping from hitting zero is the collective will of those who are doggedly clinging to their sunk costs.
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