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The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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I rented a Toyota recently. The A-pillars were so huge that I thought I'd better drive around near the rental company for a while to get used to it. So I did that, concentrating on driving safely instead of concentrating on navigating. I ended up on a hospital campus, in a lane intended only for ambulances. There was no visibility for cars shorter than ambulances, and I crashed on the way out. (At about 10 km/h, so n…

That was not anticlimactic.

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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neither of those cars sounds particularly fun to drive, so that's probably where your disconnect is. it's very fun to row through the gears of a moderately sporty car; that's where people's "fetishm" (more accurately "preference") comes from

Honestly, my manual 97 Civic was so much more fun to drive than my current car (a Prius V). I'm on board with it being a hybrid (though it actually gets roughly the same fuel economy on the highway) and especially happy with gas prices what they are now. But I don't think you need a sporty car to appreciate the torque you generate in a manual

Totally unrelated but I’m the GP. I currently own a Prius V and it is my favorite car ever. Bummer that it was discontinued.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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I currently use a (automatic) borrowed car from the shop while my (manual) car is being repaired. I mostly do city-driving. One of the biggest issues with the automatic is stop-and-go traffic. It's absolutely trash at accelerating smoothly but fast, and I have no choice but to either go very slowly forward to not make it janky, or really aggressive acceleration. With a manual car, smooth-but-fast acceleration is easy…

Audi Q3 does not have a representative modern automatic transmission. You should try a car with a CVT from the last 2-3-ish years to feel the difference.

There are still a lot of more-or-less-shit automatics being manufactured. Even if they collectively has gotten quite a bit better over the years.

The six-speed automatic in my KIA for example, is from the past three years and it is not entirely great. It is perfectly fine 98% of the time, but those last two percent...

* Shifting speed is highly unpredictable on kick-down

* In certain temperatures it will slam the shift from first to second even when taking of very softly

* It will randomly decide to stay in a needlessly low gear on long, gentle inclines, even though there is plenty of power in higher gears if you force an up-shift in manual mode

* On low-speed sharp inclines (like my own residental street) it desperately stays in second gear to the point of almost stalling the engine, before does a brutal panic-downshift to first gear

But in standard highway driving or city-stop-and-go it is really nice.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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How is regenerative breaking not the same as engine breaking? Other than the lack of ICE in the EV, the engine is being used to slow down the vehicle, it has the exact same effect.

Well it’s not the same in a similar fashion of “1 + 1 = 2” is not literally the same as “3 - 1 = 2”. Maybe they accomplish similar goals but downshifting to brake can be done for as many gears as the transmission contains in a stepwise fashion. But without a transmission in a single speed vehicle with regenerative braking it’s more of a “spectrum” of braking and not directly controllable by the driver. And for the re…

Downshift Braking is Engine Braking, it's the same thing. And there is absolutely no reason an EV motor could not emulate the exact same behaviour as a stick shift. It's all electronic, you could just emulate the behaviour of a stick shift vehicle there and give the user a joystick with stick shift labels on top. All the motor has to do is to either apply regenerative breaking at a certain efficiency value. The electronics can ramp regenerative breaking from 0% to 100% in any amount of steps you like.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Most EV motors are fairly flat, but as you mention, they use software to further flatten in. Reality is; the torque curve is nearly perfectly flat.

That’s contrary to electric motor theory and to the dyno test that I linked above. The power curve is much flatter than the torque curve. https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/02/29007...

Not sure what your point there is? EVs are still fixed-gear ratio and provide maximum torque over the entire range. The graph you linked just shows that?

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Honestly, my manual 97 Civic was so much more fun to drive than my current car (a Prius V). I'm on board with it being a hybrid (though it actually gets roughly the same fuel economy on the highway) and especially happy with gas prices what they are now. But I don't think you need a sporty car to appreciate the torque you generate in a manual

Totally unrelated but I’m the GP. I currently own a Prius V and it is my favorite car ever. Bummer that it was discontinued.

It's an amazing car, but you can't possibly enjoy driving it as much as a zippy manual?

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Got the f-150 as the main family vehicle. Extra width is a huge deal. we don’t feel squished together on trips. Kids and and dog have plenty of room. And the bed is plenty big for all luggage / camping gear. Plus it’s useful when we do need to haul couches or bigger items. Downtown park isn’t fun but is doable.

so what you need is a minivan and what you got is a truck. this is pretty much what we're complaining about yes.

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Huh? To drive around?

A manufacturer does not know, at manufacture time, whether you will put hay bales or grandmas furniture in your truck bed.

Sure, but no matter what, there might be a kid of the road, even on the farm.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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The giant A pillars are a nuisance for sure, but you're supposed to bob and weave your head with any size A-pillar. Even with the smaller old A-pillars you can hide plenty of things behind it. If you're ever in the Netherlands you should book a driving lesson for shits and giggles. Not claiming we're all amazing drivers, but we sure do have hard driving exams when compared to the USA.

In the USA, if you have a pulse, you'll pass the driving exam.

That's what I here. Meanwhile over here you can get an instant fail for opening the door the wrong way.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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High loads at low revs are stressful on engines, which is why automatics won't let you hit more than 20-30% load in a high gear.

Has a modern engine ever failed from insufficient shifting down? I feel like it’s a non-issue in reality in modern engines? Also I assume your point doesn’t apply to diesels, and I’ve noticed the same shifting down in diesel autos.

I doubt a modern engine has ever failed due to a single instance of lugging. they are pretty robust. but it does put unnecessary stress on the engine. it's similar to cruising on the highway in a low gear. the engine is designed not to fail at 5000 rom, but that doesn't mean it will last as long as if you just drive normally. why risk an early engine failure just to save a few dollars at the pump here and there?

and the point does apply to diesels, the same as it does to any engine with pistons and a crankshaft. it's just that the operating range of a diesel is a bit lower.

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