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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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monocasa wrote: post #793
Xeoncross wrote: post #721

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The US isn't rounding thousands (millions actually?) of civil, political, religious, and other kinds of dissenters and imprisoning, reeducating, or killing them. That's kind of a big difference here. The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people. Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad. Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

Sure they are. > The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest…

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Post by _kbh_ »

coliveira wrote: post #815
ethbr0 wrote: post #766

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Russia specifically developed their "de-escalation" policy of tactical nuclear weapons use under MAD assumptions. Basically, betting that there were scenarios where the US wouldn't risk escalation to nuclear war in response to a calibrated Russian tactical nuclear strike in a third party country, thus allowing Russian nuclear effects to nullify superior western precision weapons without consequence. https://thebullet…

> superior western precision weapons At this point there is no support for the idea that US weapons have superior precision. The Russian campaign is showing the opposite.

Russian MLRS’s certainly fire rockets that have a much lower precision then modern US systems (HIMARS/M270).

Here’s a good video showing the difference.

https://mobile.twitter.com/revishvilig/status/15402647613292...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by unityByFreedom »

tzs wrote: post #818
encryptluks2 wrote: post #595

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To be fair, and I'm not fan of Trump, but if Trump hypothetically supported something good... like let's say universal healthcare, a lot of Democrats would oppose it just because Trump supported it.

Before Trump won the Republican nomination for 2016, during one of the debates against Rubio and Cruz and whoever else had not yet dropped out Trump actually brought up universal healthcare as a reason to support him over Cruz and Rubio, saying we'd get it under him and not under them.

Damn, I found this hard to believe so I looked it up [1], and you're right.

It's like when Lois says "9/11" and everyone goes wild [2].

> Mr. Trump, you have said you want to appeal Obamacare. You have also said, quote, "Everybody's got to be covered," adding, quote, "The government's going to pay for it." Are you closer to Bernie Sanders' vision for health care than Hillary Clinton's?

> TRUMP: I don't think I am. I think I'm closer to common sense. We are going to repeal Obamacare.

> (APPLAUSE)

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/06/tr....

[2] https://youtu.be/Rm3d43HLyTI?t=37

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by DocTomoe »

_8j50 wrote: post #696
DocTomoe wrote: post #95

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... as will be an American company working against Chinese national security. Kettle. Pot.

Sort of, the american people will not celebrate to the most part apple or google working against the chinese government but the american government will sure cheer them on. But the Chinese people will be on CCP's side if it works against american national security, the CCP has popular support in China because of the economic improvements it has enabled.

Yeah, you might update your view of other countries eventually. What you are describing are North-Korean-style mass "protests", often at gunpoint, in which it appears that a large mass of people cheer for the fall of the 'great imperialist demon'. Go talk to Chinese or Iranians or [insert future mortal enemy of the US], and you'll see: a population most often could not care less what the US does (or what is done against the US), unless the US is currently in the process of murdering said population.

Hell, even the Vietnamese don't hate on the US as much these days - even though they'd have every reason to.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by TingPing »

archagon wrote: post #773

What disturbs me is that it seems to be taken as a given that a piece of software running on our computers can even be “banned” in the first place. This statement would have no fangs if we could run any software we liked on our devices. But we’ve gone so far down the walled garden path that the implication seems to be “removed from app stores” => “no longer running on US customers’ devices.” Regardless of what you th…

This is only a problem on iOS devices of course.

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Post by least »

trasz wrote: post #840
least wrote: post #829

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The United States Census Bureau's official population counts, as I've said, use very broad groups to categorize ethnicities which is not reflective of just how many groups of people live in the United States. Korea has an idea of how many Koreans are living in the United States currently [1] and you can probably type just about any sort of ethnicity, nationality, or race, and find some estimates or information about…

>We have the largest population of immigrants in the world Until you realize that metric would only be meaningful per capita, which again proves you’re talking rubbish: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigrati...

> Until you realize that metric would only be meaningful per capita

Why would this metric only be meaningful per capita?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hnlmorg »

DangitBobby wrote: post #821
hnlmorg wrote: post #638

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That doesn't mean it hasn't happened on threads you haven't seen. Anecdotally I've seen it happen a lot. Which, uncoincidentally, is also the reason why I mentioned it.

I thought you were saying it's a popular or majority opinion, which I don't believe to be the case. Otherwise, why would it be relevant? Edit: I guess we can just see if any research has been done. If you trust this source, Americans seem to support (60% supporting versus 10% against) GDPR style data regulations [1]. 1. https://www.insiderintelligence.com/content/americans-say-br...

That's not the same as saying they support the EU's regulations. Just that they'd support America imposing regulations. The issue being discussed here isn't whether people are in favour of privacy but whether they're in favour of international governments imposing restrictions on the way their home-grown corporations operate.

I appreciate from a high level the two questions overlap in this specific case study. However it's the framing of the question which really matters here, not the practical overlap.

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Post by NullPrefix »

david_allison wrote: post #260
NullPrefix wrote: post #248

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>Xiaomi phones let applications have access to the first (100?) bytes of each pcap line What is pcap line?

A 'row' of packet capture data (in Wireshark's output). I apologize for the lack of clarity. I'm unfamiliar with network terminology and unsure what this looks like on the binary level. The files are in: /storage/emulated/0/MIUI/debug_log/common/tcpdump if you have a phone to test.

Does it refer to just WebView in your own app or general browser app too?

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Post by jsiaajdsdaa »

ipatec wrote: post #106
dubswithus wrote: post #46

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The Chinese government censors posts on social media. It’s nefarious by design. Nothing like that happens with FAANG.

really? where were you during covid?

imagine thinking faang is a free speech haven, yikes lol. people in this thread are deliberately pretending faang is all good.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by _8j50 »

DocTomoe wrote: post #854
_8j50 wrote: post #696

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Sort of, the american people will not celebrate to the most part apple or google working against the chinese government but the american government will sure cheer them on. But the Chinese people will be on CCP's side if it works against american national security, the CCP has popular support in China because of the economic improvements it has enabled.

Yeah, you might update your view of other countries eventually. What you are describing are North-Korean-style mass "protests", often at gunpoint, in which it appears that a large mass of people cheer for the fall of the 'great imperialist demon'. Go talk to Chinese or Iranians or [insert future mortal enemy of the US], and you'll see: a population most often could not care less what the US does (or what is done agai…

I am not talking about protests but actual Chinese people and their views. They are very supportive of the CCP. Chinese expats however tend to be mostly pro-US
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