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Can you point to examples where that has happened on Android (a comparable platform that has allowed sideloading since its inception)?
Android / Google App Store is much more lax, isn't it?
How so?
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Sure you do have a real choice. Simply only use the Apple app store and you will have the same phone you had before.
No, because apps will be moved to other stores with less strict guidelines on permissions. Meta will for sure do it. They mentioned Apple as a major reason for their poor financial performance, after Apple introduced further restrictions on what they can and can't do. They've also been caught red handed before, and had their enterprise developer account disabled for abusing it to do things they weren't allowed to on…
> No, because apps will be moved to other stores with less strict guidelines on permissions.
This hasn't happened on Android so your argument falls flat.
Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms
#853Maybe fines like this could fund UBI? Society could vote on a number of measures designed to create a sustainable economy. For example, instead of carbon tax credits, we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions and let companies pay the fine, then send direct payments to everyone. Or set a living wage of $20/hr and make companies directly responsible for paying the shortfall that the government makes up in welfar…
That implies that UBI is agreed upon all around the world, which it isn't. "...we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions..." that already exists and those ceilings aren't honoured by manufacturing-heavy regions around the world, as there is no way to enforce any sort of responsibility. Also consider that most tech companies are moving to carbon neutrality. "...set a living wage of $20/hr ..."...where exactly? W…
All good points, and all controversial. We're so used to looking at everything through a capitalist lens, that any policies designed to help the average working Joe seem quaint or even downright laughable:
"...there is no way to enforce any sort of responsibility..." "...Worlds history says that trying to equalize everyones skills leads to skilled workers looking for greener pastures..." "...so making companies responsible for governments decisions in giving away money to recipients that might not even be related to the industries the companies are operating in?..." "(companies paying national debt) ...that's...not how that works..." "(starve the beast of multinational corporations) ...considering that many of those boogeyman corporations are the ones working on automation..." From my perspective, we've created just about the least efficient, least equitable system possible. We have billions of people around the world toiling the entirety of their lives just to survive month to month. If they had any free time at all, they could work towards at least some level of autonomy. But that time is denied to them by the same corporations that profit from them. And we enthusiastically keep putting those corporations in charge of everything, because they provide the goods and services that we depend on. We keep re-creating global feudalism and aristocracy, to the point of even letting corporations gatekeep the way we live and work in the name of security, for a modest fee of course.
The fact that Apple and Google are at the leading edge of wealth inequality is perhaps the greatest tragedy of the modern era. It truly breaks my heart.
Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms
#854Maybe fines like this could fund UBI? Society could vote on a number of measures designed to create a sustainable economy. For example, instead of carbon tax credits, we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions and let companies pay the fine, then send direct payments to everyone. Or set a living wage of $20/hr and make companies directly responsible for paying the shortfall that the government makes up in welfar…
> Maybe fines like this could fund UBI? What? Are you counting on steady fines to provide basic life support? If that's not bizarre enough: how much do you think UBI (in the EU) would cost? There are 450M people in the EU. Giving the adults around €20k per year would require €7200B.
Just to clarify: that €7200B is currently in the hands of corporations and the wealthy.
That's spun to us as economic fact (can't have wealth redistribution!!!) but it comes down to tax policy. We could all vote to raise taxes on high incomes, or even enforce existing tax codes, but we've been told that would put the brakes on the economy. Which is code for the riffraff getting the money instead of a few rich guys.
Having to manufacture the money for UBI is a self-limiting belief. The money is already there, but we're so used to giving it all away as unearned income to investors, and even participating in the skimming as investors, that it feels like there is no money. By design because that's what The Matrix is.
Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms
#855Maybe fines like this could fund UBI? Society could vote on a number of measures designed to create a sustainable economy. For example, instead of carbon tax credits, we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions and let companies pay the fine, then send direct payments to everyone. Or set a living wage of $20/hr and make companies directly responsible for paying the shortfall that the government makes up in welfar…
This is a terrible idea. Do you want people rioting and demanding that companies not comply with regulations so they can buy food? What other outcome could possibly come from this?
They're rioting now because the companies have the food and keep raising prices. I'm talking about eliminating that inequity by turning profiteering into UBI. It is true that people shouldn't become dependent on malfeasance. All I'm saying is, why should CEOs and wealthy financiers be the only ones who get to?
Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms
#856Maybe fines like this could fund UBI? Society could vote on a number of measures designed to create a sustainable economy. For example, instead of carbon tax credits, we could just set a ceiling on carbon emissions and let companies pay the fine, then send direct payments to everyone. Or set a living wage of $20/hr and make companies directly responsible for paying the shortfall that the government makes up in welfar…
I would not want to receive any money that I know to come from a dirty source. It makes me complicit in the act.
That's what money is
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It also makes assumptions that consumers are dying for Facebook, when engagement in the product has been mixed, especially with the reputation of the company dropping precipitously over the past six years. Heck, even Instagram is beginning to show signs of trouble: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/16/technology/instagram-teen...
Facebook owns a few properties, including WhatsApp. But I think you are envisioning a high switching cost, whereas I think it would just be a simple download and install of the Meta store. You'll probably purchase products using a Libra derivative too. There wouldn't be very high switching cost for customers, and they'll rapidly click through privacy prompts (if they happen at all) with no Apple ostensibly looking ou…
It’s still having to sign up for another account- probably using Facebook login- but once you have the dang thing you have to manage payment options, privacy settings, email and push notifications, having the damn app store icon sit on your Home Screen, non-zero friction that comes with the current era where consumers already juggle multiple social networks, streaming services, e-commerce memberships, music or gaming stores, and so on. It’s an annoyance and a hassle and unless Meta brings out sufficient new incentives as part of it, users are gonna balk. Most users do not want to deal with yet another payment system like Libra. Finally, government regulators would probably probe Meta for antitrust violations if they withhold a critical communication app like WhatsApp from the official iOS App Store, without opening the protocol up for federation. What applies to Apple still applies to other companies.
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That's why it's FUD. It's happening today. There will never be a perfect circumstance where a determined enough attacker cannot get a determined enough sucker to give them their savings.
“This is FUD because it’s already happening and there is nothing you can do about it” is a weird take. Just because something is possible doesn’t mean that making it harder isn’t worthwhile. Perfect is the enemy of good, after all.
Where is the guarantee that the current situation is better, in terms of actively preventing that situation?
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> can't connect to any Apple online services whatsoever So what's the downside?
If you don't want to use Apple services, why are you buying an Apple device? These facetious arguments make no sense.
There have always been Android users who don’t want Google services, spurring the creation of Cyanogen and Replicant and the like. Are you sure there are no equivalent users on iOS?