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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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epivosism wrote: post #848
oefrha wrote: post #828

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Geez, that word list. Here’s an idea. American Big Tech should form a Uniban Consortium to streamline the process of adding and banning new harmful words of the month. Then your OS update could come with support for, say, Unicode 20.0 and Uniban 6.0: five new emojis and fifty new words banned! Btw, the word main should probably be put on a future batch; too similar to “man” to be comfortable.

Yeah, the emoji manipulation of this is much more subversive and also continuously going on. Forbidding emojis which get converted to suggestiveness. We're left with eggplant and water droplets, which they know they can't remove, but they also are on guard against adding anything new that would allow more expressiveness in that area. If they could they'd ban the letter X to prevent people typing "sex"

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Post by google234123 »

Pxtl wrote: post #505
user3939382 wrote: post #108

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If we're going to play this game, I think dissuading people from using "mother" in the example of "motherboard" is offensive. Mothers are the source of human life on earth, and in that capacity are revered and honored. When we say motherboard, we're making an analogy that suggests the board's significance and universal connection to everything. To discourage the term as an analogy for things that are a universal sour…

I know we all see this as a slippery slope, but let's remember what's at the other end of the slope. Anyhow, you might find it awkward, but the general assumption that "parent" is synonymous with "mother" to the exclusion of all other kinds of parents does real damage to inclusiveness, and the term "motherboard" flows from that. I know your tongue is in cheek, but the mainboard may be considered a parent of the compo…

I’ve literally never heard of the term and I work in tech and build personal pcs. So I would disagree that it’s “available, widely understood”.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by TeeMassive »

Microsoft is doing the same thing. It's also full of woke BS. For now I can disable it easily. For now. But this obviously yet another slow boil attempt to pass insane policies. In the end we're just gonna communicate using Signal or equivalent; and if we can't even have device that can do that then we're just gonna have to build our own Pi based E2E devices.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by ngngngng »

seattle_spring wrote: post #839
ngngngng wrote: post #744

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"Fuck" and "badass" are relatively common in job postings in Utah. I assume it's because people from out of state are worried they'll join a company with a bunch of stiff Mormons so we need a signal to let them know that's not the case. Benefit #1 on the list is beer on Fridays. Anyway, that's what scares me about this, I like language naturally evolving like it is in the above example, to address a specific communic…

Relatively common? Can you share links to 2 examples?

Yes but I’ll let you google search “Utah job postings badass” yourself

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by dbsmith83 »

The comments have been really interesting to read here. On the one hand, I am relieved to see the number of other people who see a lot of this as silly at best, and dystopian at worst, like I do. On the other hand I see a lot of parallels with Paul Graham's recent post on heresy[1]. It seems like many people here want to be free to dissent without repercussions, but when reading thru the comments on the Heresy piece, it seemed like many people were very dismissive of the piece because they couldn't get over Paul not specifically naming a heresy. Isn't speaking out against this language erasure a heresy because of the fear of being cancelled?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30977147

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Post by burnished »

School-Cotton wrote: post #404
burnished wrote: post #271

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What is that good reason? The only thing I can come up with is "don't release internal documents", which is a blanket reason and not what I'd consider compelling, but I suspect I'm having a failure of imagination

Practically no big company would allow you to post internal documents on Hacker News. Why isn't that a good reason?

Because it isn't compelling? It's purely to avoid admitting to something illegal. I presume that this person has a reason that is more nuanced than that, which intrigues me.

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Post by burnished »

influx wrote: post #330
burnished wrote: post #221

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Main is better. Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations. This one isn't a big deal.

Just FYI, it's Master as in Master record. This is different from database terminology where there is a master and slave.

Oh that is neat thank you

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Post by burnished »

tomp wrote: post #562
burnished wrote: post #221

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Main is better. Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations. This one isn't a big deal.

> Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations Why? I think that slavery is bad only if the slaves are people. I want machines to be my slaves! (non-sentient machines only, dear future AI overlords!)

Because the idea of a slave has immediate connotations of people being enslaved. I'm not talking in some broad philosophical sense of rightness, I mean it brings to mind, for me, thoughts about human slavery that are uncomfortable.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by burnished »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #295
burnished wrote: post #221

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Main is better. Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations. This one isn't a big deal.

I agree that "main" is better, purely because it's a more intuitive word for that role. As far as "uncomfortable connotations", would you agree that that's a subjective claim? I don't like that forced slavery is a thing, but I'm capable of handling context-specific word meanings, and of not getting emotional due to alternative meanings.

Of course it's contextual, it's not an absolute claim on truth. I'm not talking about a hypothetical, I'm talking about real feelings.
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