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Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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To think that a company that has failed to create self-driving for nearly a decade could solve "content moderation", one of the hardest problem on the internet that every single of the big companies (who btw hire the best talent) have been struggling with, is truly a shocking statement to me. If all Google and Facebook couldn't solve it, why could a Tesla engineer of all people...

We're not talking about the hardest content problems on the internet. Look at any of Elon Musk's (or anyone in crypto's) popular tweets and you'll see a flood of incredibly obvious bots that poorly mimic his account, spamming some shit coin or advertising a BTC address. Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is. It's not full self-drive but it's a real achievement.

>Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is

How good is it?

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"One AI engineer from Tesla could solve Twitter's bot and spam problem." It's hard to take any of the rest of this seriously after that "detail".

How? That point is distinctively an engineering/technical assessment whereas the others are very much not. I doubt any of them can speak with much weight on AI. That hardly means they can't make serious points about censorship, or corporate finance.

>I doubt any of them can speak with much weight on AI. That hardly means they can't make serious points about censorship, or corporate finance.

Isn't this Gell-Mann Amnesia in full effect?

"Sure, they are speaking nonsense about AI, but I bet they have great ideas about corporate finance!"

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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You mean self driving, which they promised would be ready over 5 years ago and still barely at L3 level? Meanwhile Google engineers have actual L4 level self-driving in both Phoenix and San Francisco (by your logic, they are better than Tesla engineers), yet have not managed to solve Youtube's spam problem.

>Meanwhile Google engineers have actual L4 level self-driving They don't have L4 self-driving they just made a contrived railway system for their cars. The second the car is out of the hardcoded route it's not a self driving car anymore.

>The second the car is out of the hardcoded route it's not a self driving car anymore.

So what you're saying is that at least the car is self-driving sometimes, whereas the Teslas never are. That's your pro-Tesla argument?

You can get in and drive around in a Waymo taxi with no driver and yet Tesla fans are still claiming it's not self-driving, while Tesla is. Hilarious.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Well he do own approx 50% of another company worth around 100 billion. I'm sure he could manage to finance this just fine.

He also does not need to fund all of it; just enough that a bank would be willing to consider the Twitter shares he is purchasing as collateral for the rest of the loan.

You're not allowing for risk and exposure.

This is a lot of money, even for Musk.

I don't see this deal happening. He can't afford it (without exposing himself to unnecessary risk). If it does go through in the ways described here, he's an idiot ... and I don't believe that, despite my personal opinions about him.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Predictably stupid. They're going to come back and say the company is worth >$70B.

That's how the game is played. If you want to take over a company without the consent of its executives, it's going to be a fight and you're probably going to lose.

Which is a big problem in having a fair economy.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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An alternative take: there's spam that's trivial to spot and spam that's hard to spot. Twitter is ignoring both. I can give you both searches and keywords to post which will return lots of spam ready to block. Not everything of course, but let's not post the "spam is a hard problem" excuse until they nuke every account responding with "metamask" and a link to Google forms.

You don't nuke the accounts, you make it so no one can see their posts and they don't realize. Make them waste their time instead of creating a new account.

You do neither.

You offer users a list of filters they can choose to activate, so they only see content according to the filters they enabled.

There would be filters against spam, filters against opinions other than your own, etc.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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We're not talking about the hardest content problems on the internet. Look at any of Elon Musk's (or anyone in crypto's) popular tweets and you'll see a flood of incredibly obvious bots that poorly mimic his account, spamming some shit coin or advertising a BTC address. Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is. It's not full self-drive but it's a real achievement.

> Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is How good is it?

It’s pretty good! Does the vast majority of my driving for me, except for roundabouts, gravel roads, and exceptionally snowy days (Scandinavia).

I do long road trips and feel less exhausted than I would otherwise.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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We're not talking about the hardest content problems on the internet. Look at any of Elon Musk's (or anyone in crypto's) popular tweets and you'll see a flood of incredibly obvious bots that poorly mimic his account, spamming some shit coin or advertising a BTC address. Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is. It's not full self-drive but it's a real achievement.

> Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is How good is it?

Good enough often enough that people stop paying attention (and die when the car hits an obstacle the AI doesn't recognise)

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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The pushback is simple: Twitter stock price was higher than Musk’s offer for most of 2021. We are in a downturn affecting the entire tech industry, and it’s likely that prices will return to previous levels at some point. Elon’s offer is a lowball and Twitter can bring more value to shareholders with or without Elon.

It seems a little funny to me that people flock to the idea that Twitter's market cap in a fed-fueled stock market when literally everything was moving up is some kind of true valuation for Tiwtter. If anything Twitter is likely trading at or very close to its fair value now then it was last year when retail was throwing money into anything.

Gamestop is still at 150 so people are still throwing money into anything

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Some scammers who appear in Musk's replies impersonating him use similar or identical avatars and screen names in order to perpetrate their fraud. Removing and preventing the creation of this type of account would not even require "AI". It hasn't happened yet because Twitter lacks the will to do it, for whatever reason.

> Removing and preventing the creation of this type of account would not even require "AI". It wouldn't require _Machine Learning_, the kind of filtering approach you've just described would absolutely constitute AI.

Calculating the levenshtein distance from users, the average difference between the avatars, and looking at basic interactions in reply-to-reply-to-users isn't AI. That's heuristic. And it should have been implemented ages ago.
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