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When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…
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Civil disobedience as I support it is a non-violent action. A lot of people cite these protestors as "non-violent" but there have been many incidences of protestors attacking or intimidating residents as well as intimidating the police to resist enforcement actions so I don't regard the current occupation in Ottawa as meeting that threshold. I think that anyone following closely would have to concede that police cond…
I'm not following these protests closely, but aren't you going to have a minority of violent people in any protest? That's just the nature of argry, large groups. If that's your bar for "violent protest", then it's trivial for anyone to disrupt any protest by injecting interlopers to try to trigger an explosion. There's evidence that undercover police tried to instigate violence and looting in the BLM protests. Could…
I think it is lost on most people not following closely that the day-to-day protest headcount is quite low, easily under 1,000 people, probably well under 500. Any normal crowd control policing unit could disperse such a small group, the police do not do so despite many instances of having done so and clear legal authority to do so.
When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…
But they aren’t being peaceful in Ottawa. They tried to burn down a condo building last night and have terrorized residents there for weeks now.
> 5:05 p.m. > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he has invoked the Emergencies Act as a “last resort” to bolster the police response to convoy demonstrators and to “bring the situation fully under control.” I really feel like there were a number of "resorts" that could've been taken before this "last" one. Engaging in dialogue with the truckers and not inflaming the situation by calling the truckers names are at the…
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Wow - that’s quite a summary of what’s going on right now. I keep seeing the same pattern of your comment on right wing media lately (e.g. with the insurrectionists): defend the racist group by blaming either a false flag or “a handful of individuals”, call the protesters “largely peaceful and just exercising their rights”, then turning the charge around to call the people accusing you, of being the actual racists. I find it fascinating to see this on hn - it’s usually the kind of comment I would find in the Breitbart / Fox News comment sections.
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At least some were flying confederate flags... Well, in my province it's not a problem. There you prove point #1, this is not a federal issue. What province are you in? In my province leaders aren't pushing tighter restrictions. It doesn't matter what your grievances are, you don't get to park your truck in the middle of the street and break the law. Not in this country. Whether they "right" or "wrong" doesn't even f…
The Confederate flag was carried by one person completely covered and anonymous. The flag was brand new, still creased from the packaging. Trudeau's personal photographer was photographed following this person while taking pictures. There's several videos of many people in the protest harassing this person until they are forced to leave.
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I would argue that you’re misconstruing things. We Canadians had a fairly single issue election in the fall around vaccine mandates and the Liberal party won. The question is not “are mandates allowed” but “can a group be allowed to take cities hostage while trying to overthrow democratic rule.” The issuing of mandates was not even passed through fiat like an American executive order, this government is a minority go…
what you're describing is "tyranny of the majority" and not how democracy works. the minority is retaliating because they feel their rights have been violated. i'm not taking sides and i'm not asking you to, but you're kidding yourself if you think these truckers are a greater existential threat to you and your way of life than your government with its self appointed "emergency" powers.
For good or ill, "tyranny of the majority" is exactly how democracy works - and it's only ever "tyranny" to those who don't like the democratic outcome. Did you mean constitutional democracy, perhaps? Most constitutions, definitely including Canada's, enumerate rights that are supposed to be beyond the reach of normal legislation or executive action, but that's the "constitutional" part rather than the "democracy" part.
> i'm not taking sides ... but you're kidding yourself if you think
That's taking a side.
None of this is a surprise to anyone who has been watching. I could characterize it in a number of ways, but there is nobody left to persuade. Given some obvious inevatabilities that flow downstream of this, what's the smart thing to do as an individual? If you are aligned to the official narrative, the incentives are to double down to make sure nobody suspects you of disloyalty if it prevails. If you are on the side…
> I could characterize it in a number of ways, but there is nobody left to persuade.
but then you characterise one side with:
> If you are aligned to the official narrative, the incentives are to double down to make sure nobody suspects you of disloyalty if it prevails.
which is downright biased.
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But they aren’t being peaceful in Ottawa. They tried to burn down a condo building last night and have terrorized residents there for weeks now.
Nor were they peaceful in India. In addition to the violence against police a woman in the group was raped. A man was killed brutally. The right to protest ends when it infringes on other's rights to go about their daily life. Occupying highways and roads for months on end is not a peaceful protest. Canadian politicians, including some in the cabinet, supported violent protests in India. Canadian citizens fueled mone…
What is inherently violent in those actions?
Trudeau, like many members of the political class, treat the messiness of democracy as a bug when it is in fact a feature. The core purpose of liberal democracy, understood by any political science undergrad, is to _limit_ power - the tyranny of the majority, the executive branch etc... Yet this is poorly understood by a class of individuals who exclusively do politics as a way of earning a living (ex. Trudeau, Liz T…