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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Bombthecat »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't like rogan, for all i care, he can burn in hell.

But : the negotiation would have run very very different if they would have said :we buy it, but will never use or publish it!

He might have still sold (for a higher price) or rejected the offer.

You can't change the "purpose" of a contract after it was made.

In german, we have a law, yes a law, basically saying : in treu und glauben (in good faith / in trust and believe) it basically prevents contractors to write contracts which fuck over signers.

It is super rarely used for misuse of contract law / information of the signer, but sometimes it is. This is probably one of those cases.

In good faith, that Spotify will publish his work, he signed the contract.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kstrauser »

xdennis wrote: post #270
bachmeier wrote: post #238

Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.

> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…

If I owned I book store, I would not sell “The Turner Diaries” (unless maybe if I knew that the person who wanted to buy it was a researcher studying racist literature). Even if it were profitable, I wouldn’t want to make money from helping spread that garbage.

If you consider that censorship, then you’ve gone a long way toward convincing me that your definition of censorship is an OK thing to do.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by adevx »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #738
Sparyjerry wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify doesn't realize this move is cancelling themselves. I just ended my premium sub to Spotify because of their move.

They've managed to anger both the Branch Covidians and the regular people who were against censorship.

Exactly, got the premium membership to support them in this Joe Rogan madness, but cancelled today because of the episode removals. Shortest subscription ever.

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Post by newbamboo »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

But they aren’t deciding for themselves, they’re being coerced by a vocal minority of people who are threatening their entire existence and have already done significant damage to their corporate valuation and reputation precisely because they are not broadcasting exactly what this vocal minority demands. It’s not about freedom for businesses. It is the exact opposite!

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by barbacoa »

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #826
waffle_maniac wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has fringe people on his show to drive engagement. Fauci is not going to pay the bills.

Joe Rogan would interview Dr. Fauci if he were up for it. He would even let Dr. Fauci talk and defend his position for 3-4 hours if he had that much to say. I wouldn't call the guests on his show "fringe". In fact blanket calling all the hundreds if not thousands of people he had on his podcast fringe would require whomever said that to be someone who thinks through a groupthink/xenophobic mentality of believing the…

>Joe Rogan would interview Dr. Fauci if he were up for it.

In one of this podcasts, JR said he was trying to find someone from the "other side" to debate (I think it was) Dr Malone. He said he couldn't, everyone turned him down. I think this part of the big disconnect in modern discourse; one side wants open discussion and debate, the other wants to censor and deplatform.

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Post by syspec »

bradly wrote: post #216
voisin wrote: post #193

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I switched from Spotify to Apple Music fairly recently and I am still shocked on the daily how poorly built Apple Music is. In the several years I subscribed to Spotify I never had issues of content not loading or choppiness in the playback, but with Apple Music it is nearly every day. The only thing Apple Music has going for it over Spotify (in my opinion) is that the recommendations are easily 10x better for discov…

> The only thing Apple Music has going for it over Spotify (in my opinion) is that the recommendations are easily 10x better for discovering new content. Thank you! I spent the last few years working on improving the quality of those recommendations!

Great job on the recommendations, definitely my favorite part.

What is youpinoon in way Music.app is so clunky still? For example when perusing music, if you click on something there is no way to go back to what you were just looking at!

It's such a cool thing to get to work on, and be paid for, and something I imagine everyone working on actually uses. This is not true of a lot of software we all write. So I don't understand why the app is so bad in 100 tiny little ways

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ComradePhil »

whacim wrote: post #755

Was related to Rogan's Instagram post related to the 'N-word'? https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZlnH8MAb8L/?hl=en

From what it seems, the "controversial" COVID-related podcasts are intact. It's mostly his conversations with other comedians or political people like Gad Saad, Sargon of Akkad, Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes, Alex Jones etc. that have been removed which is a way of punishing Joe Rogan while making it look like it was about completely something else. Removing the COVID related podcasts when everyone is paying attention would be too obvious and Streisand effect could have made those removed episodes even more popular, which is the last thing the pharmaceuticals would want at this time.

I strongly believe he's being punished for the COVID-related podcasts though. These are the ones in question for those who are brave enough to listen to what the mainstream media has been labeling "dangerous disinformation":

- #1747 Dr. Peter McCallaugh https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz?si=J...

- #1757 Dr. Robert Malone https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT?si=4...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sebzim4500 »

lazide wrote: post #689
Hermel wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

It sounds more like you’re angry that someone is refusing to publish on the platform they own something you personally politically associate with? Which hey, I get. But they are refusing to publish it because they don’t want to be associated with it anymore, and they bought exclusive rights to it from producer, so… And I don’t see Joe Rogan saying he is in a hurry to return the money Spotify gave him for this exclusi…

What could be done, is to pass a law saying that exclusivity contracts are only enforceable when the content is actually being made available. I doubt there would be any real support for such a law by anyone who matters though.

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Post by runarberg »

branon wrote: post #796
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't disagree with you, but legally purchasing the intellectual property rights to a work, and the proceeding to hide it from the public is still censorship in my book. It might not be quite as wrong or bad as, say, state-sponsored blanket censorship, but I think we should call it what it is. A work was available and now it's not. The only reason being that an entity decided that it should be removed from view. Ce…

I think this is nuanced. I can see your point if an artist is forced sell their art through an unfavorable marketplace. However in this case that probably doesn’t apply. Joe Rogan has a big enough of a platform on his own that he can probably get by just fine without selling the rights to his show at all. The fact that he did despite that makes this slightly less nuanced.

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Post by srg0 »

Hermel wrote: post #609
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

I’m the opposite. I paid for Spotify subscription long before Joe Rogan deal, and never listened to any of his podcasts. I learned that they’re controversial after Neil Young was pulled from Spotify. I guess the message was delivered, and I actually considered cancelling my family subscription and switching to something else. I’m happy about their decision, and will remain their customer.
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