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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by sf_rob »

chrisBob wrote: post #235

I have been waiting on this announcement to buy a new Mac, but now that they are out, I don't think I will buy one. The prices are 2x a Macbook Air, but the utility for me doesn't match. If the 14" was closer to the previous 13" MBP price of $1500 I would be ordering one now, but I will be getting a Macbook Air instead. Note to Veterans: Apple gives a 10% Veterans discount on everything, including the refurbished sto…

I agree but coming from the perspective that the M1 Air is absolutely crazy value if you aren't constantly doing intensive tasks and if you don't mind paying less to have dongles.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by par »

humanistbot wrote: post #95
buildbot wrote: post #13

64GB of 512bit unified memory is REALLY fast/huge This will be better than many training GPUs for ML... Better than dual socket servers... I wonder if the mac pro will be dual proc...

Yeah, but can it run CUDA pipelines?

doubt it

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by movedx »

javajosh wrote: post #227

It's great Apple is changing course back to where they were in 2013. What sucks is that all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market. For my money, I'm getting the Framework latop and I'm going to bite the bullet and run (in order of preference) FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit.

> FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit.

You're tired of Apple's "shit", so you want to build a laptop on top of hardware that cannot be taken to a store and replaced the same day (Apple) and install an OS like FreeBSD which is going to be rock solid but supported by virtually no one?

I'm all up for FreeBSD and Linux - love them and have ran them both on laptops and desktops for years - but given I want to get work done and collaborate with other people they're not good options.

Personally I think you'll build a great machine that will blow the socks off of a MBP, but you'll be battling with interoperability with other people and businesses; and you'll be battling the OS itself to keep it working as a slight driver change breaks everything.

And that doesn't even mention the hardware issue: what happens when something pops?

Just some thoughts to consider.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by therein »

arvinsim wrote: post #845

Both 14" and 16" can use the highest spec Pro processor. But the 14" only needs 96W while the 16" can go up to 140W. Does that mean that the 14" will be throttled on heavy workloads?

Good question. Also has smaller battery. I initially ordered the 14" with M1 Max and 64GB of RAM but then switched to the 16" because of the 17hr vs 21hr battery life.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by eyelidlessness »

makeitdouble wrote: post #847
ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

> Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. I was also surprised at how high the maxed out laptops can go in price. From memory, around the 2015 model line the top end would be at around $3000 without the crazy disk options. There was a rule of the thumb that Apple priced their product at a rough ratio of $2 / day. That would give 4 year for my 2014 laptop, and it mostly did.…

FWIW, while I’m disappointed by the pricing I bought a 2019 16":

- Mid CPU

- Lowest available discrete GPU

- Max RAM

- 2 TB SSD

RAM was my absolute must have, and to get the same on today's MBP:

- I would have to at least max the CPU

- That’s substantially better GPU than I’d buy otherwise

For the same RAM and storage, the price is almost identical (in fact it might be identical but I don’t feel like digging up my old order to compare such a small difference).

I am disappointed they didn’t move the price down more. And I’m disappointed I have to buy more compute than I care about to get the other specs I want. But it’s clear at least to me this is more value for my money than I paid 2 years ago.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by javajosh »

movedx wrote: post #853
javajosh wrote: post #227

It's great Apple is changing course back to where they were in 2013. What sucks is that all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market. For my money, I'm getting the Framework latop and I'm going to bite the bullet and run (in order of preference) FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit.

> FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit. You're tired of Apple's "shit", so you want to build a laptop on top of hardware that cannot be taken to a store and replaced the same day (Apple) and install an OS like FreeBSD which is going to be rock solid but supported by virtually no one? I'm all up for FreeBSD and Linux - love them and have ran them both on laptops and desktops for…

Well, like so many people, I've not given much thought to what I'll do if my laptop "pops", because I've had this one for 8 years now, and it's been pretty solid all that time. Presumably if it blew up tomorrow I'd use my phone to pick up a used laptop of some kind and restore from backup. Right now that's an MBPr. In future I hope my FreeBSD Framework. As for sharing, I believe I can run what I need to be productive under FreeBSD. But time will tell. (It would be nice if a FreeBSD guru would volunteer to baby the Framework crowd with a guide. I would click the paypal donate button.)

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by srvmshr »

josephg wrote: post #430
nbzso wrote: post #399

Nice. Ports are back. Very nice. Prices are up. Not nice. The deal breaker is the notch. Sorry Apple I am a designer. I cannot watch this 24/7. Even if the top bar is black the notch will be visible enough to distract my visual line. The more I look at this, the more I like the Framework laptop. P.S. Happy down-voting, have a nice day and stay safe.

Can you help me understand that? I have an iPhone with a notch and I find it’s totally fine. Day to day I don’t notice it. It just kind of blends in to the design of the phone. And I assume the situation here will be the same. Most software doesn’t use the whole menu bar anyway. It wont be on top of anything except if you use that space to watch full screen video. I’m not excited about the price, but I’d totally take…

One of the things I dread is using two program windows side-by-side when doing code reviews.

Most of the arguments are in the full screen hiding the notch with a black title bar. What if you don't use it FS all the time? The notch would be right where two windows overlap, unless you manually resize both windows every time. Every day for 8 hours+ for everytime you open a code editor

Extra screen real estate is great, but I am sure they didn't have to go all the way to top. The point is getting moot because now the chins are unusable space as well all the time.

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