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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mike_d »

DangitBobby wrote: post #523
philshem wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. As a cyclist and pedestrian (who does own a normally-sized car), I was getting pretty frustrated by the lack of safety discussed in the comments. https://twitter.com/lloydalter/status/1395326192908218371?s=...

Sounds like a common sense reasoning about this. Are there stats to back it up? Do trucks pose a significantly greater risk to cyclists and pedestrians? I'm actually a truck owning cyclist myself.

The commonly cited study (that of course nobody reads) from the Governors Highway Safety Association showed that if you get hit by a truck or SUV you have a higher chance of dying. They also found that if you adjust for how many of each are on the road, you are 15% more likely to be hit by the driver of a car.

Trucks and SUVs are on average newer than cars and at a higher price point, which means more newer safety features like object detection and driver warnings. I also suspect the feeling of mass in driving a larger vehicle makes you take driving more seriously.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

outworlder wrote: post #760
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

The advisory speed limit on the Autobahn in Germany is 130 km/h = 80 mph. If you drive 55 mph (90 km/h) on an unrestricted or 130 km/h section during your driving test, you will fail.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aembleton »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #524
aynyc wrote: post #518

This is a contractor's dream truck. * Power supply. This thing supports ton of recharging of power tools. Lawn cares services will love this as more and more communities are banning gas-powdered tools. * Range. 300 is well within most contractors' home to work site. * Frunk. Lock away their valuable tools without unloading the toolbox. * Look. It's what they know and trust. It's something new yet familiar. Next step…

The intelligent backup power is such an obviously good feature that I'm surprised nobody has thought of this before. Out here people will spend $5-$10k installing a generac for their home. That thing is loud and takes awhile to turn on depending on the setting. Having your EV plugged in and just "work" when there's a power outage is stupid simple and absolutely worth it.

The Nissan Leaf has been able to do it for a while https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/you-can-power-your...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by thunkshift1 »

claytoneast wrote: post #720

It amuses me now many asterisks are on this page. "Some big claim"* *Only with x package and x accessories Seems like more statements have asterisks next to them then don't.

Which isn’t too different from tesla for comparison. It only sells you the most basic version and you have to pay for everything else

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by brandonmenc »

Dah00n wrote: post #366
brandonmenc wrote: post #289

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Motorcycles and busses are more dangerous for pedestrians than trucks. "Compared with cars, buses were 11.85 times and motorcycles were 3.77 times more likely per mile to kill children 0–14 years old. Buses were 16.70 times more likely to kill adults age 85 or older than were cars." https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232

A truck in this discussion is a car, not a real truck. A bus is not comparable to a car. Compare a bus to a real truck. A motorcycle will in every single statistics drive faster on average than a car. I'm not saying your point is wrong but it is at a minimum like a click bait title.

"Passenger cars and light trucks (vans, pickups, and sport utility vehicles) accounted for 46.1% and 39.1%, respectively, of the 4875 deaths, with the remainder split among motorcycles, buses, and heavy trucks."

If you count crossovers as cars, trucks make up like 35% of auto sales and account for 39% of pedestrian deaths.

There is nothing to be concerned about.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276506/change-in-us-car-...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by yumraj »

The one feature I would love, as someone who doesn’t need a pickup, is the ability to connect an entire battery pack that I can rent and put in the cargo area (cab?) if I need long range for a trip.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Dah00n »

goshx wrote: post #532
Dah00n wrote: post #424

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That's quite funny as just today the newest magazine from the local version of Consumer Reports came out and Tesla was rated pretty bad and this in total score (dealer rating is way worse). Tesla is rated on par with brands like Kia and Suzuki: https://ibb.co/TgKvP2g But of course Ford is even worse here but not in the dealership rating (which I of course can't find atm. as it were in last months issue)..

Consumer Reports is known for being biased against Tesla, so take their information with a grain of salt.

But this isn't Consumer Report. This is an index of owners opinions. It's Danish Tesla owners that rate Tesla on par with Kia.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mike_d »

kiliantics wrote: post #811
jessriedel wrote: post #608

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Pedestrians make up only a small minority of people killed in car crashes. (Like 6k of 40k per year.) So sure, it's good to make easy adjustments if they lead to big reductions in deaths, but it's not reasonable to care a ton about seriousness restricting the form factor yet think cars are fine in general. Best would be indexing car/truck sales tax to the size of the negative safety externalities, which would be a qu…

Wow, 6k or 15% of deaths is not worth doing anything about... This is peak car-brain thinking. Pedestrians are the ones who should be the first to reach zero deaths IMO, since they weren't the ones who decided to drive around in a deadly machine in the first place and are usually completely innocent in their own danger.

What are your thoughts on pedestrian vs. train deaths? Obviously it is always the conductors fault and peak train-brain thinking?

Commuting on a scooter I've seen more than my fair share of pedestrians on phones walking out into traffic and idiots on bikes blowing through red lights. Sometimes everyone involved can be at fault.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cpwright »

analog31 wrote: post #425

I'm happy to see this. It's the most popular vehicle, so it will reach a large audience. Also, at least in my imagination, work trucks are a perfect use because they are used locally and parked on the job site. So the range and need for a charging station might not be impediments. My pet peeve is that vehicles are getting bigger in general, and I don't need a big vehicle. An F150 won't fit in my garage. An amusing an…

You could also just get a spray in bedliner, they are pretty darn tough. Shoveling dirty into/out of them will not have any negative effect and you can then sweep or hose it out.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by blueprint »

aaroninsf wrote: post #665

Hot take: this, as some like Ars Technica have observed, stands a decent chance of being a real game changer. Everything about this vehicle launch appears masterful, from its technology to its branding to the obvious care taken to ensure that in almost every respect it is so superior, and offers so many no-brainers, as to make anyone who can (both individuals and especially, fleet managers), buy these as fast they ca…

> The biggest by far IMO is its ability to power high voltage high draw tools at the jobsite.

The hybrid F-150 could already do that.

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