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macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#852I feel like even Richard Stallman would have had a hard time imagining non-free operating systems would result in this. Use linux folks! It doesn't communicate with a third party when a process starts up!
It's just sad that we don't have the corresponding form factor in a similar laptop. The biggest draw of mac: 1. slim, light 2. long battery life. 3. track pad. That's all I want, but nobody else offers it on the same spec, the difference is even bigger with M1.
> 1. slim, light 2. long battery life. 3. track pad.
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#853Earlier quoted context omitted.
The server is called OSCP which suggests to me that if we look at Apple in the most positive light - they sign and certify binaries as safe. If an app gets later reported as malicious, they need to revoke the certificate that has been used to sign said binary. So when you open an app, how else are they going to check whether the certificate is still valid or whether it has been revoked? Can anyone confirm whether thi…
Here's an idea: log all opened binaries somewhere and then every hour or so check them against the list. Never block me from opening something, but warn me about bad stuff on a regular basis.
They could also keep the current solution and just use a CRL as a backup to OCSP to check the revoked certificates and update it every other hour...
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#854A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…
Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The point is, things like this should never happen in the first place. They are probably checking how far they can go, before it affects their bottom line.
I don't think they are "checking"; they've carefully planned a path and are slowly and meticulously executing on it. They have no intention to stop at any point. Should the money stop flowing, they'll just come up with a new gadget. To make them backtrack on the walled garden would take an extinction-threatening event that (unfortunately) will never be on the cards as long as nobody can seriously threaten the iPhone.
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#855Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…
Currently the workaround seems to be /etc/hosts override or firewall-level blocking.
Just a small reminder that this can soon stop working: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24838816
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#856A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…
Microsoft saw that Macs were eating their lunch regarding developers and researchers when e.g. nearly everyone doing AI was on a MacBook or Ubuntu. You had a hard time getting Tensorflow to run on Windows because no one in the community really cared. Also everyone developing applications in the cloud was eventually targeting Linux as the production OS, which is a pain if your development OS is pretty much hostile do…
MS sells cloud services. They don't really care what machine you use, as long as you live on Azure as much as possible. That's why they give you more and more tools that improve the "remote development" experience.
Apple sells silicon. They don't really care about developers; as long as they can pull enough users through the iPhone->iPad->Mac funnel, they have done their job of selling as much hardware as they can. In their view, developers bitch and moan but in the end will have to go where users go - at which point, Apple can tax them for access to the walled garden.
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#857So many comments in here, but I haven't seen a single one mentioning a simple solution: Vote with your feet. For years now, I've seen a large portion of the HN crowd praising Apple for its (alleged) respect of privacy and cursing at Microsoft for Windows "calling home" all the time. Now that this has happened, the only comments I see are "heads should roll", and "we must complain and be heard by high-level execs", bu…
I've been using Windows 10 with WSL2 and found it a surprisingly effective development environment with all of the Linux goodies accessible. And games are available without a reboot or VM!
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#858Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have no problem with checking binaries when I launch them for security. I imagine many of the virus checking apps for windows probably call home with similar information. I doubt very much I’m leaky in any personal information. What is frustrating is they didn’t handle this situation like they do if I’m offline - don’t get a ping back in less than 500ms or whatever? Go ahead and open anyway. would have solved this…
> I have no problem with checking binaries when I launch them for security. ... I doubt very much I’m leaky in any personal information. You should. It's noones business when and how often you run a known tor browser binary.
I don’t run a tor browser so I’m good in that example.
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#859Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…
So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…
Assuming you were going for a Macbook Pro "15 for 2399$
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* Tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com
~1000$ 1.5kg, Their "15, 1080p flagship is configurable with AMD Ryzen 7 4700U, 32GB RAM, 500GB M.2
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~1200$ 1.5kg, "15, 1080p, AMD Ryzen 4800 H, 32GB RAM, 500GB NVMe
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* Purism http://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-15
They're trying to become and opensource Apple --> high prices, own linux distro, trying to make their own ecosystem, etc.
~2000$ 1.8kg, "15, 4K, Core i7 7500U (Kabylake), 32GB RAM, 500GB NVMe
Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application
#860Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that if you're offline, it skips this check and everything works fine. The reason this is a big deal is that the problem's on their end, so you're not offline, so it keeps trying and waiting instead of just letting you skip the check.
That still seems weird. Why does running unrecognized software become safe when you're off line?
Because it is not yet illegal to operate a computing machine that is not centrally monitored. New Normal, get used to it. Soon, this corner case will go away.
"Why were you offline when using your computer?"