What i find weird is people always ask if "you are going to open source this and that". It's a bit rude, like asking strangers to give you their car. I get the trust aspect but still
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This comment is golden! Most qualms on indie hackers and similar sites could be quickly settled with this line of reasoning. Not growing fast enough? -> buy ads -> "but I don't make enough money to spend on ads" -> is it really a product then? -> etc... It's always blown me away (as a person of average intelligence relative to many on HN) that brilliant people who can actually conjure up entire libraries, frameworks…
Creating a software program is only 10% of the work. The rest is marketing, promotion, sales, support, accounting, paying taxes, attending conferences, creating manuals and videos, etc. Most developers fail because they stop after getting the program to work. "Build it and they will come" is a stupid Hollywood myth.
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#854I know a couple of comments have mentioned this already, but this apparently grows out of him being in a pickle financially at the moment and resenting the time he has put into doing free work: https://twitter.com/marak/status/1320465599319990272 I'm sympathetic. I don't have any funds to spare to help him out. I'm chronically broke myself. I've done lots of nice things for people over the years for free. A lot of th…
I mean, according to local news he's responsible for the fire: https://abc7ny.com/suspicious-package-queens-astoria-fire/64...
The reason I don't care is because I remain dirt poor and I've spent years trying to figure out how to earn an adequate income legitimately while being called a "whiner" and told to shut up about my financial problems and all this crap and it has a long history of making me feel suicidal.
So if you have someone "doing good works" -- like contributing for free to open source -- who cannot figure out how to make ends meet and the entire world is happy to use their stuff for free while not giving a rat's ass about their lack of an income, that alone can drive you crazy.
So I just don't care. At all. Who set the fire is of zero importance to me and has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that "We have systemic issues that we need to address."
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That's because you need to understand the difference between a project and a product. If you want your product to succeed, it must target decision-makers with a budget to buy your license, and it must make enough difference to them to justify the costs. Most software libraries aren't products. They target other software developers who are not responsible for allocating funds. Furthermore, if there wasn't a library, m…
This is how we framed it at browserless.io. Libraries generally aren't a product, and even though some of them do a lot, it's hard to charge folks for an `npm i`-style product. I tried a lot to look into this and it just didn't pan out. I think there's an opportunity for a library marketplace that does all of the curation, security checks, and other validation as it would provide a lot of value to organizations so th…
That's not true - look at the games industry, the vfx/cinematic rendering industry and all that ; their middleware libraries are all paid products.
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I mean he says he doesn't really know what a b-tree is. That's a pretty basic data structure and kind of table stakes for being a software engineer. Even then, Google gave him a good look with 7 interviews. Just speculating here, but they probably would have given him a chance if he wasn't "often a dick" and "often difficult".
> That's a pretty basic data structure and kind of table stakes for being a software engineer. It really isn't. You don't need to know what a b-tree is to do most modern software engineering. > Even then, Google gave him a good look with 7 interviews. Just speculating here, but they probably would have given him a chance if he wasn't "often a dick" and "often difficult". I think you're right on this one.
if you're hiring a car driver, then yes, the driver doesn't need to know the innards of how an engine would work.
But if you're hiring a car mechanic, surely you expect them to understand the innards of the engine.
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Already done: https://bytepack.io By the same team behind Elixir/Phoenix no less
They're talking sales and marketing, not software packaging and delivery (which most software devs can do just fine).
But no, just packaging and delivery. Which is cool, and probably useful for some people. But it doesn't help address the biggest weak spot for solo devs, or small teams: sales and marketing.
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This. The other fallacy is that a work is not yet good enough to charge for it.
How often is that true though?
Just because it was used a lot by many people because it's free, doesn't mean there's economic value. Charging for it is the only way to find out the economic value people assign to it.
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I misremembered the case and forgot it was the police who realized it wasn't a bomb but were trying to prove intent by interrogating him due to Texas's hoax bomb laws... but exactly like I said above that's an aside, and the entire story just shows how little people understand of the appearance of these things if anything. If all it takes to convince laypeople to call police on a child is a splayed out alarm clock, h…
I agree, it's pretty bad. But I don't think it's on the laypeople. The English teacher did the right thing. Could they live with themself knowing they could've stopped a real bombing that killed people? The problem isn't that people will call the police based on some suspicions they have in order to protect others in their community or cooperating with law enforcement and telling them what they know and have observed…
The teachers said it looked like a bomb, but even they did not think it was a bomb, again the trouble came down to the hoax law, not someone thinking he had an actual bomb
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#860Anyone wanna make a stock market for free/open source software? I'd like to be able to invest in software that have a chance of becoming acquired or adopted by big corporations that make them a lot of money, and then get some kind of ROI for it :P