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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pvorb »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I don't get why they couldn't fit both a touch bar and the function keys on a 16 inch laptop. Other vendors manage to put a numpad on their notebooks of similar sizes.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by yreg »

w-m wrote: post #541
pwthornton wrote: post #513

This is Apple going all in on pro for this laptop. The display is fantastic all around, 64 GB of ram, 8 GB of DDR6 VRAM, 8 cores, biggest battery FAA will allow on planes, 8 TB SSD, etc. This will also be able to connect to Apple's upcoming 6K 32-inch display. This is a very impressive update all around and it shows Apple putting a lot of space between their pro laptops and the MBA and iPad Pro now. The lineup is sta…

When people cite the great feat of putting in a 100Wh battery into this laptop they seem to keep forgetting that the 2012-2014 models had a 95Wh battery and the 2015 model had a 99.5Wh battery. Only when flattening the design for the 2016 year did they reduce it to 76Wh.

For the longest time the iPhones were getting thinner and thinner and hn/reddit complained that they really wanted chunkier iPhones with better batteries.

Then Apple turned the battleship and since 2014 (iPhone 6) we've gotten a thicker phone with improved battery life in every redesign.

I'm pretty happy about this new direction.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by stingrae »

godelski wrote: post #848
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

> the lack of a physical Escape key C-[ is the same thing in Unix. I haven't tried it on a Mac though. But if you're using vim (mostly where I hear this complaint) use C-[ (actually just use it in vim anyways because who wants to lift their hand up to do such a common movement?)

I just map caps lock to escape, then i need even less finger movement.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by rammy1234 »

lilyball wrote: post #727
Reason077 wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys." The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards are awful, unreliable, and get worse with time, so I'm very glad to see them go. Likewise, the return of the physical Escape key is very welcome. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys has never bothered me in the slightest. If anything, t…

The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards never bothered me. I actually like the feel of my MBP's keyboard. Likewise the software Escape key never bothered me. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys is super important. With the full-height left/right keys it's hard to quickly find the arrow keys by feel. The new (old) arrow key design is honestly what I'm most interested in with this computer after the 16" screen.

exactly. arrows are something that always bothered me in my mac , not butterfly ( to some extent yes ) or not esc.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by aylmao »

yreg wrote: post #842
luckydata wrote: post #835

Is it me or this laptop is eye-wateringly expensive? I'm no Mac noob but it's getting a little hard to justify the expense to stay in the ecosystem.

It costs the same as the 15" did while starting at a much better base configuration, so if anything it's nice that they didn't felt like increasing the price.

I do wonder how the prices stalk up historically, adjusted for inflation. Flagship iPhones apparently are getting more expensive[1].

[1]: https://digg.com/2018/iphone-prices

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by tiglionabbit »

aluskuiuc wrote: post #832
fermenflo wrote: post #808

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No, USB-C is a step in the right direction. It's superior in every way imaginable to USB. It can handle almost every type of transfer (data/power), its orientation-agnostic, it's slim, etc. I could list the pros for days. Having to deal with dongles for a couple years while the rest of the market catches up isn't a reason to push against the best port standard in decades.

It's decidedly inferior in its lack of hubs. If you don't have enough USB-C ports, you're SOL (and given I have a 2-port macbook pro, I feel this acutely).

I've been using a macbook with one USB C port happily for a few years. When I need more ports, I use the multiport dongle:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MUF82AM/A/usb-c-digital-a...

What more do you need?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by insta_anon »

bhauer wrote: post #434
insta_anon wrote: post #242

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"? The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use…

There's a lot of Good-Enoughism and Apple apologism in the responses to your question, even though you never said this was a deal-breaker. You are fairly asking why this particular corner was cut for costs, and it does seem a weird place to save a few bucks when, as you say, the price is ~$4,000. For what it's worth, the front and rear cameras on Microsoft's Surface products are both high-quality and it's generally a…

To be honest, I am also really surprised by the apologism and the creative possible reasons that people come up with (e.g. "Apple couldn't handle the traffic the increased resolution would cause"). But you're right, I didn't say it is a dealbreaker for me and it actually isn't. It is still very likely that I buy this machine - yet stuff like this bothers me, especially at the price point that Apple is commanding.

Imagine buying the top of the class Mercedes S-Class only to find out that the steering wheel is far worse than the ones that Mercedes uses in other models - you'd somehow feel cheated.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dylan604 »

insta_anon wrote: post #245
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

Agreed, as long as I am forced to use the TouchBar, it personally for me is not "the world’s best pro notebook".

Forget being forced to use it, I'd like to not be forced to pay for it. How much does the price of the MBP go up because of all of the parts required for the touch bar?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by lowercased »

kylec wrote: post #846
luckydata wrote: post #835

Is it me or this laptop is eye-wateringly expensive? I'm no Mac noob but it's getting a little hard to justify the expense to stay in the ecosystem.

The stock configurations are exactly the same price as the 15" used to be, but now with double the storage. So it's actually better value now than it was.

and... I'm feeling it because I just bought the 15" $2799 model 5 months ago, couldn't justify the extra $ on a 1TB model, and now it's built in. :/

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

rangibaby wrote: post #829
wwweston wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It turns out that people who buy laptops -- a mobile-ish form factor differentiated from a tablet by its keyboard -- might really really care about keyboards as the main interface between user and device. I'd concluded that Apple didn't really think much of laptops anymore, and had simply moved on to caring more about other form factors: it seemed a logical conclusion if one assumed that people at Apple were in fact…

It’s getting better now that USB3.1 SSD cases are dirt cheap.

I bought a 1 TB Samsung T5 SSD for Time machine backups on a 512GB 15” MacBook Pro that I bought recently. With that and a Yubikey (with an off-site backup Yubikey of course), I’ve got everything I need if I ever have my laptop stolen or rendered inoperable. I’ve also got another older spinning rust external hard disk for backups, but that’s more of a backup of a backup thing.
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