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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by 794CD01 » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:15 PM UTC

analognoise wrote: post #850

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Indeed. You are free to modify it to run those tools, or create alternate tools that do run (maybe not so much after Oracle v Google). But ain't nobody got time for that.

This is such a bullshit argument. I don't want to spend my time making a toaster - I just want toast. Also this is why FOSS software continually reinvents the wheel, badly. Want some BS program? There are a million of them. Want an actual tool that requires deep talent and domain knowledge? Outside of compilers, if it's FOSS, it is almost certainly garbage.

I think you are imagining the argument you want to see. Your comment is not responsive to what I actually wrote.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:15 PM UTC

pjlegato wrote: post #838

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This. I've had linux on the desktop since 2002, and unstable, insecure, hot and noisy are the polar opposite of what I've experienced on the whole. Sure, from time to time a tool would experience issues and cause heat from pegging the CPU, or they're would be some vulnerability cause it to be insecure. I'd doubt it's anymore insecure than windows or osx, and I certainly feel like it's more secure. Unstable? I really…

This is exactly why Linux isn't more widely used: most business and professional users regard "switching to a different window manager in order to work around repeated graphics glitches" as a dealbreaker-level problem in a tool they use for their work. It's supposed to be an appliance that gets out of the way and enables higher level work, not a fascinating engineering project. The tool should _just work_, all the ti…

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by EpicEng » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:19 PM UTC

Brian_K_White wrote: post #806

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It's more like Steve Jobs was such an uncompromising asshole that he would rather throw a substandard product in the garbage than put out something he considered lesser. He didn't have vision, nothing he "made" was revolutionary at all, and he didn't make anything after the NeXT. Steve Jobs was amazing at two things: getting in on the ground floor (the iphone came out so quickly after the first all touch screen smart…

I had a full touch screen, color, icon grid of 3rd party apps, internet enabled, smart phone in 2001. Samsung SPH-i300 I had multiple web browsers, email, irc client, telnet and ssh clients, and an open marketplace of thousands of 3rd party apps for every oddball purpose, like I had a resistor color decoder, netmask calculator, etc. 2001. iphone came out in 2007, and had no 3rd party apps.

You forget to mention that it was utter garbage in comparison.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by azr79 » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:20 PM UTC

I'm still using a late 2013 MBPr, this machine is a tank, took so much beatings, and literally nothing broke in 5 years it runs as if it was its first day of use.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by AsyncAwait » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:31 PM UTC

pjlegato wrote: post #838

fimbulvetr wrote: post #691

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This. I've had linux on the desktop since 2002, and unstable, insecure, hot and noisy are the polar opposite of what I've experienced on the whole. Sure, from time to time a tool would experience issues and cause heat from pegging the CPU, or they're would be some vulnerability cause it to be insecure. I'd doubt it's anymore insecure than windows or osx, and I certainly feel like it's more secure. Unstable? I really…

This is exactly why Linux isn't more widely used: most business and professional users regard "switching to a different window manager in order to work around repeated graphics glitches" as a dealbreaker-level problem in a tool they use for their work. It's supposed to be an appliance that gets out of the way and enables higher level work, not a fascinating engineering project. The tool should _just work_, all the ti…

I like how you take one particular anecdote and use it as representative; I have had pretty bad graphics glitches on a 2017 MBP at work, unless I disable graphics switching, which kills the battery.

Conclusion: macOS suffers from severe graphics glitches and has terrible battery life. /s

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by varjag » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:33 PM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #808

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When people say they expect someone to implement cycle detection, they usually mean Floyd's algorithm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_detection#Floyd%27s_Tort... If you come up with something else (like tagging nodes), you get a strike for inefficiency. It looks simple enough to feel smug about once you know it, at the same time there's near zero chance the interviewers could come up with this algorithm independ…

When people say they expect someone to implement cycle detection, they usually mean Floyd's algorithm. Not necessarily. Sometimes the dataset only has on the order of 10k nodes, and you just want to warn users if they create a cycle, or keep particular routines from going into an infinite loop. If you come up with something else (like tagging nodes), you get a strike for inefficiency. A few days ago, I implemented cy…

I'm not sure what are you trying to argue. I never ask obscure CS trivia, you misread my post entirely.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by Joeri » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:40 PM UTC

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There's a simple solution for the lack of DDR4LP: end the "thinner and lighter" insanity and provide normal DDR4 with a decent battery capacity by making the laptop 2mm thicker and 0.5 pound heavier.

It's impossible to provide decent battery life in a laptop with normal DDR4, it uses 80% more battery in standby: https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/

It’s possible by hibernating faster, which is the strategy lenovo used in my t460p with 32 gb ddr4. The downside is that leaving it with a closed lid for ten minutes makes waking it up a 5 to 10 second affair instead of instant.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by rbanffy » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 6:51 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #607

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> - The web cam is at the worst possible position. It films your fingers and breast, rather than head! As someone who's going bald, this is a feature rather than a bug. Of course, I'd like 4 cameras on the corners and software that allows me to shift a virtual camera to the center of whatever video conference tool I'm using. BTW, that would be a brilliant new feature for Apple laptops of the future. That and chroma/m…

> As someone who's going bald, this is a feature rather than a bug. I don't think filming my neck-rolls and the inside of my nostrils is much of a feature.

My nostrils are hairier than the top of my head.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by fauigerzigerk » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 7:15 PM UTC

reitanqild wrote: post #847

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #789

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What I was specifically referring to there is that Ubuntu's NetworkManager (in combination with Open VPN) had (or still has?) a DNS leak right out of the box for years.

Am I underestimating that or is that are really small thing compared to "press-enter-twice-for-root" on one of the two big commercial OSes?

I think you are underestimating the importance of fixing glaring security bugs ASAP when they become public knowledge instead of denying or ignoring them for years.

Also, a DNS leak is potentially much more dangerous for a minority of people than any locally exploitable bug.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by aeorgnoieang » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 7:32 PM UTC

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They no longer have Steve Jobs Quality Control? He was the type of person to play with something for 5 minutes and say "yeah... no" or to eagerly take something he liked and abuse the hell out of it for 24 hours then come back with a laundry list of improvements. He was a jerk and he cared deeply about user experience. In his absence you have what exactly? Tim Cook lacks vision, if you want your mountain moved to Plu…

I am still confounded how people continue to say that Tim Cook has no vision, as if he's simply some sort of bean counter with green shades who just lucked into become the CEO of one of the world's largest companies. Tim Cook's vision is much larger than computers if you haven't been paying attention. Look, from what I can observe, ever smaller devices, lifestyle devices, the focus on privacy, their take on the cloud…

What's the vision exactly? The focus on privacy? What exactly are they doing about that? Their "take on the cloud" is what? 'Do it badly'?

> Apple is looking to position itself to exist intimately in our lives. The only way to get there is to have the same level of trust that you do with family or even a lawyer.

Bleh. That is just awful marketing speak. Why would anyone trust them to "existing intimately" in 'their life' if they can't even reliably produce reliable computers (regularly)?

My iPhone 5 (ha) is fine, but I'm hanging onto it for as long as I can because I expect to be disappointed by upgrading.

People express that Tim Cook has no vision because he's failed to deliver like Steve Jobs did (in a way they care about).