The web page itself is a sign of the non-Jobsian direction Apple is taking. I doubt he would stand for all that shifting javascript crap.
MacBook Pro
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#852This event was by far the most disappointing Mac event in the history. A lot of the time was wasted in: - Mildly funny jokes and comparison with 90's technology. - 90% of the talk was about the touch bar. - Awful demos of Photoshop & some cringy DJ. I was hoping we would see: - A new MacBook with all day battery life and touch bar, even thinner design. Ok, I understand that they are trying to consolidate their produc…
Was prepared to buy one if it was 2.5lbs for the 15" (or maybe even 3 lbs). Instead it's still 4lbs
LG makes a 2 lbs 15 inch. (Not saying I'd buy the LG. Only pointing out Apple has room to do better)
I agree it was a very disappointing announcement . Basically more of the same. Nothing new or innovative.
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#853I think a good summary of how "innovative" this release is, is the fact the news didn't even reach top 20 on HN.
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#854They actually removed the USB ports and function keys, the absolute madmen!
They added more USB ports; there are four now.
Don't be blinded.
I think there are 2, because if you're a hacker or a designer or a home user, you quite likely have a Mac hooked up to the power and the 2nd screen :)
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#855Where the hell are the USB ports?
They got smolla :)
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#856Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft really hit it out of the park yesterday. Did we watch the same event? Microsoft introduced a $3,000 desktop PC in an era when nobody uses desktops anymore. It introduced a minor update to the Surface Book that starts at $2,300 with dual-core CPU, only 8GB of RAM, and last-gen graphics hardware. For the same price as the new Surface Book i7, I can get an MBP 15" with bigger screen, twice the RAM, and a qua…
> Microsoft introduced a 28" desktop PC No. Microsoft introduced an entirely new kind of tool for digital artists. I'm not one myself, but the Surface Studio makes me wish I were. And the people I know who are, are over the moon about it. They can't wait to get their hands on one. Yes, it's Microsoft that hit it out of the park, and made Apple look amazingly weak by comparison. Today's event wouldn't have been partic…
Some of you may remember when many many years ago Microsoft showed off an interactive coffee table. The Surface. And now finally with Studio they have brought to reality a device that will be nirvana for designers, factory planners, circuit designers and anybody else who can actually use an interactive surface (pun intended). Im a product manager for enterprise software and Im bubbling with ideas that such an eminently usable large screen touch device brings to the market. After decades of heaping scorn on MS for the stuff i had to work with that hasnt improved (talking about you Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Visual Studio) they have post-Balmer become an entirely different company and Im pleased about that. Competition is good for innovation and Studio is truly innovative in engineering and the things it makes possible.
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#857This is just another run of the mill update to me. I'm a developer and sys admin in research computing and to me, everything they removed I never used anyways.
F-keys? Practically never use them, I much prefer keyboard shortcuts that allow me to stay closer to home row.
Lack of ports? I never use them on my MacBook anyways so I don't really care
Lack of power? All my heavy computing is done on remote compute clusters
Not to say that my needs are homogenous or anything. I guess my point is, from my perspective, this update isn't some catistrophic failure on apple's part, and it actually fits my needs as a professional quite well. That being said, I will definitely not buy the new MBP. My late 2011 MBP still runs flawlessly and does everything I need on the go. All I'd really want out of a new laptop is for it to be as small and light as possible. For me, the point of a laptop is to be portable, not some do-it-all machine that can hold all of Wikipedia in RAM at once
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#858Makes me wonder how people here feel about the USB-C and basically all gadgets requiring adapters. I like Apple and Mac, but this piece.. Isn't it ugly at the end, that if you want to use an SD card from your camera you must get an adapter, adapter for your iPhone 7 lighting headphones and adapter for your $1k 27" Retina display which isn't 5k, but still pretty freaking good. That's 3 ports, and 1 USB-C port left you…
"how people here feel about the USB-C"
The idea of only needing one type of port is very appealing. No longer need to worry about ThunderBolt, DisplayPort, Mini DisplayPort, VGA, HDMI, USB, Firewire 400, Firewire 800, Ethernet. ("What? We don't have all of those any more!" I hear you say. Yup! Isn't it grand?)
I'm ambivalent about losing MagSafe, but that's it.
"if you want to use an SD card from your camera you must get an adapter"
I can see how the SD card port is useful. That said, I remember the days when I had a camera with CompactFlash. Never had a computer than had a built in reader for that, and it wasn't that bad.
As for adapters for other accessories, now all of the adapters will be X to USB2/TB3. The piles of adapters from this to that that I've collected over the years amazes me, in particular for displays and old FW drives. I'll be able to get rid of a lot of old adapters going forward.
A tweet I saw today made me smile:
"If someone isn’t raging about a hardware port, it’s not really a successful Apple event."
https://twitter.com/rands/status/791733073972908032
Edit to add: Yup. Gonna be buying adapters. Won't be the first time, but going forward it's looking like that's going to be much more sane going forward.
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#859Everyone seems disappointed but I think the reason is this: There isn't that much to innovate on the laptop. If you want real innovation, you need new form factors: voice recognition, VR, intelligent devices and so on. The laptop is excellent at what it does and the only thing you can really do is make it faster and lighter.
Everyone's disappointed because we don't WANT innovation. We WANT better battery life, not a slightly thinner laptop. We WANT our USB ports and MagSafe. We WANT a touchscreen MacBook. We WANT significantly upgraded specs, and expandability. We WANT to have the same physical keyboard layout we've had forever. We WANT Apple to stop f•••ing us around by increasing the price while actively removing features. THIS laptop…
I don't think everyone agrees with you. But these are all opinions, I'm certain that not everyone agrees with you.
Although I'm unhappy at the loss of MagSafe, I really like all adapters being USB C. I think it'll ultimately be worth it, and I don't personally consider having to buy a few adapters to be a big deal.
I don't want a touchscreen. In fact, I'd say that I'm actively against a touchscreen. Adding a touchscreen would probably mean updating the UI to match iOS more closely. I want my UIs to be tailored for high precision mouse / trackpad and keyboard.
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#860Apple has replaced the MacBook Pro with a faster MacBook Air labeled "Pro". I have no idea how they could think that professionals would use a MacBook Air (no ports, shallow keyboard, no expansion, no innovative features, marginally lighter). A tiny ribbon display is completely useless to me. They removed the escape key. Twenty years of using Macs and I'm not sure what my next laptop is going to be.
Indeed. Didn't we try UIs that change on the user dynamically and concluded they absolutely suck (remember the Windows 98 start menu re-ordering menu item position based on frequency of use?). They go against muscle memory training, and decades (centuries?) of convention. For someone who spends the day in Terminal (bash with readline in Vim editing mode) and Vim, missing physical ESC key is going to be a huge pain in…
They still have the kid's version that has an escape key.