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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by unabst »

scholia wrote: post #843
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #818

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Are you really comparing the company that just put out the Macbook (oh wow a thinner than thin enough MBA with a higher res display, no ports, worse battery, worse CPU, worse GPU, for a much higher price) and the iPad Pro (wow a bigger iPad with a pen many other tablets and laptops already had covered, that you have to charge by sticking it into the iPad like an idiot [0], to Microsoft which just demo'd a pretty damn…

Unabst was apparently of the opinion (above and in his deleted message) that the lack of innovation in the headline was much more significant than the massive innovation in the product. Seems to me that if Apple had produced the Surface Book, Mac fans would be wetting themselves so hard that a lot of people would drown....

Please stop putting words in my mouth or those of Mac fans. I stated a simple fact, but got downvoted, so I gave up. Glad you admitted there was a lack of innovation somewhere though.

> Mac fans would be wetting themselves so hard that a lot of people would drown

@IkmoIkmo How is that for bias?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mizzao »

owenversteeg wrote: post #794
mizzao wrote: post #21

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I run Linux on a VM inside my Surface Pro 2. Best of both worlds. All the touch and pen gestures are handled by Windows and carry over through VirtualBox. Would love to get a Surface Book as soon as possible.

Ooh, this is actually a really attractive option, thanks for the idea. How much is the speed decrease? Is it enough to be noticeable? And how much does the battery life decrease by? Thanks!

With a SSD on the host OS, I really can't tell much of a difference.

Not sure on the battery life, but I've had nothing to complain about as long as I'm careful not to have some random process hogging 100% CPU on either guest or host.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by axefrog »

dang wrote: post #804
footpath wrote: post #597

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Would this link work better? http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/06/a-new-era-of-win... Blog post with links to all the new devices.

Ok, let's try that. We changed the URL from http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book and the title from "Surface Book".

Actually that link doesn't even link properly to the Surface Bookj page now, which means anyone new reading these comments won't get the context, seeing as all they'll find via the link is Surface Pro devices.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by WaterSponge »

dang wrote: post #347

We merged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340117 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340022 hither, since there shouldn't be three stories about this on the front page. Since the live event looks done now, we've picked (what I think is?) the most significant product URL to change to from http://www.microsoft.com/october2015event/en-us/live-event . If anyone suggests a better URL we can change it again.

The merger of these threads really takes away the scope of the announcements made and the different discussions being had. The editorializing and changing of URL really alters the environment for conversation in a way that's not healthy and hurts the scope of these things. Then the second highest comment on the thread becomes about the design layout on the page.

So be it if Microsoft/Apple/Google/Android/Amazon/Uber is on the front page multiple times...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by freehunter »

munchbunny wrote: post #752
freehunter wrote: post #727

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Thinkpad W520. Core i7, like a Macbook. 16GB of RAM, like a Macbook. Spinning hard drive, worse than a Macbook. Has a desktop video card that is required in order to use video out, but you have to reboot and enable the video card, then it won't sleep until you reboot and disable the card... unlike a Macbook. Because Nvidia won't make Linux drivers for Optimus. No, it's not in the same class as a Macbook, that's half…

I'm a bit curious why a traveling consultant is outfitted with what is marketed as a "workstation in a laptop form factor". Seems like a mismatch of use case to product. I travel a lot, sometimes for work, sometimes for leisure, so when I chose my personal computer I went with a Thinkpad X230. Fast enough to compile C++ code for my game programming hobby, fast enough to do my excel stuff for work, and the integrated…

I didn't have a choice, this is what all of my coworkers have as well. Some of them found it so hard to work with that they used their own money to buy a Macbook then gave it to the company so they could use it for their job.

My last job, I had a Thinkpad T520, which was just as thick but a bit lighter and smaller footprint. At home I have a T420, again same thickness but slightly smaller footprint yet. I'm no stranger to Thinkpads. I hope I don't ever have to use another.

Even IBM is disillusioned by the Thinkpads. They created the damn thing and they're abandoning it for Macbooks: http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/5/9099451/ibm-apple-enterpris...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by freehunter »

phaus wrote: post #802
freehunter wrote: post #727

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Thinkpad W520. Core i7, like a Macbook. 16GB of RAM, like a Macbook. Spinning hard drive, worse than a Macbook. Has a desktop video card that is required in order to use video out, but you have to reboot and enable the video card, then it won't sleep until you reboot and disable the card... unlike a Macbook. Because Nvidia won't make Linux drivers for Optimus. No, it's not in the same class as a Macbook, that's half…

You might have gotten a W520 less than a year ago, but the W520 is a system from 2011. That's ancient for a laptop. >That's how awful modern Thinkpads are compared to basically anything else. Your company choosing to buy Macbooks over Thinkpads is a sign that Thinkpads are worse than every other brand of laptop in existence? Its pretty obvious that you aren't interested in a logical conversation.

I work for IBM. Yes, IBM choosing to buy Macbooks over Thinkpads is a pretty bold sign.

What do you think I meant by "my company was built on Thinkpads"?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by bigger_cheese »

nogridbag wrote: post #701
macspoofing wrote: post #679

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>That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years Dell XPS line-up is quite nice, and on par with any Apple laptop.

That's what all the Dell XPS reviews said 2 or 3 years ago too. So I thought I would surprise my wife with a Dell XPS Signature Edition laptop for Christmas. Everything from the touchpad, to the display, to the flexing keyboard, to the cheap looking hinge was truly awful and no where near the quality of the equivalent Macbook of the time. A few months later she got a Macbook Air from her company and the XPS has been…

I switched from a Macbook Pro to a Dell XPS in mid 2012.

I was a long time MacBook Pro user I went though three MBP models from 2006 to 2012. I switched mostly because I was frustrated with short comings of OS X. I wanted to make sure I got a good Laptop with first class Linux support so went with XPS, which had the best specs on market at time.

Pretty happy with it. The Trackpad had issues. When I first bought Laptop I had to compile my own custom kernel to get two finger scrolling working(has long since been mainlined). But quality was comparable to Macbook's quality. I have had no issues with either the keyboard or the display certainly nothing like you have mentioned...

The fan is starting to die in it now but it has lasted 3 years of heavy use about on par with lifespan of my old Macs. I'll probably pick up a new laptop in post Christmas sales I'll likely go with Dell again.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by tjes »

ciupicri wrote: post #847
lelandbatey wrote: post #845

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Something I do want to note: everyone seems to only ever look at two, maybe three companies for "serious" notebooks: Dell, Lenovo, and (maybe) HP. However, I've found that by far the best company to buy laptops from is Asus. The latest example of this I've seen is the Asus Zenbook UX305LA. The specs are: 8GB Ram 256 SSD Intel Core i5-5200U 1080p IPS display A keyboard devoid of obviously poor layout[0] Nice large mul…

There's more to a laptop than just its theoretical performance. It also needs to be reliable and tough, light-weight, ergonomic (good keyboard, touchpad that isn't touched accidentally), cool (otherwise CPU & GPU might be throttled), etc.

And to add to that, how repairable if something breaks?
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