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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by pjmlp »

teiferer wrote: post #791
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

This applies to the whole stack, even ignoring the GUI, you would not find systems with a gazillion of processes, doing OS IPC all over the place, because the hardware could not accommodate it.

But hey, microservices and static linking are the future. /s

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by mgaunard »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

I don't think Linux nor macOS changed significantly during that period.

I think what changed is that you got better at Linux. Leveled-up, so to speak.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by moezd »

paxys wrote: post #38

More validated by the day that my $450 M4 Mac Mini (16GB) was the best deal in computing for a long, long time.

Yeah. One place I worked went down under and they offered to hand out on-prem servers for free. These were 192 GB DDR4 each. I was moving houses and lazy, so I declined. I still think what would've happened if I just rented a car and went downtown.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by dyauspitr »

Humphrey wrote: post #739
gardaani wrote: post #169

Rumors say that Apple will only release M6 base variant and skips M6 Pro, M6 Max and M6 Ultra variants to concentrate all efforts to create a good AI capable M7: "According to reports from Bloomberg, Apple will be skipping its M6 Pro, M6 Max, and M6 Ultra chips to accelerate development of the M7 chip. That means the only chip to be released from the M6 family will be the base M6. The reason for this break with tradi…

I wonder when/if we will start to see Apple include a silicon encoded model into their chips. Similar to Taalas build Llama 3.1 silicon with 17,000 tok/s inference. So could the M7 actually include an AFM 3B model, alongside a generic neural engine?

It would make zero sense. These things are improving by leaps and bounds every week, we are not at the point where you can burn weights into silicon and put it on one of the largest consumer devices on the planet yet.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by mgaunard »

thiht wrote: post #603
prmph wrote: post #535

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Yep, vote with your wallets. It’s about time Apple learned that excellent hardware alone would not make up for what macOS lacks and where it fails for development.

macOS is fine, you guys are just overreacting… Is it perfect? No. Is it usable? Clearly yes.

My M5 pro macbook panics one to two times a week. I narrowed it down to an issue with a thunderbolt-linked ethernet adapter.

I reported it about ten times, Apple never replied or addressed it. After a while I decided to take things into my own hands, and to write my own driver.

Just installing a VM you can load a driver in for development and testing was a two-week effort. Everything locked down. Their VM infrastructure is so bad you can't even properly emulate or route the device, so in the end the only way to test it properly was to install the driver in the real thing, which is extremely disturbing to productivity, as the device you're working on constantly crashes.

The whole platform is developer-hostile, which is essentially the same thing as user-hostile as far as I'm concerned.

Meanwhile, on Linux, zero issues, and writing or testing a driver is child's play. It's literally built for tinkerers.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by shevy-java »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Linux spoiled me totally. I can no longer accept Microsoft's slowness.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by anon7000 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #226
Axsuul wrote: post #163

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I had a chance to try Omarchy past few days and it's just very different vs macOS. I honestly never had a problem with the windowing system ever since I built my own customization scripts (i.e. Hammerspoon). I can see the appeal for someone who wants ultimate customization though but macOS still wins overwhelmingly when it comes to polish, ecosystem, user experience, and apps (nothing comes close).

It's interesting because I just haven't felt the polish. For example when using PyTorch I wanted to try to speed up my NN kernel by 2x by just using half precision and haven't noticed any speedup at all. Also I was missing the easy to use GNU tools that had to be mixed with Apple's tools. I loved using Arc browser as well, and I'm missing it, but I guess I will do without it somehow (Chrome's vertical tabs are just n…

Well, Arc is basically dead on Mac now anyways :(

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by darkwater »

rowanG077 wrote: post #748
hedora wrote: post #704

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Linux has been going down hill, but since you can choose distributions, there is an escape hatch. I’ve been moving all my machines to devuan with xfce (or freebsd with xfce). I have zero issues despite not having to deal with wayland, systemd, snap, etc.

I could not disagree more. I have been using linux for about 15 years. Linux is better now than it ever was.

I've been using Linux as myninly desktop OS for ~25 years now and I agree. I can't really understand the irrational hate of a vocal minority towards systemd, pulseaudio etc
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