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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by tuananh »

distances wrote: post #486
tuananh wrote: post #421

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my only problem with fastmail is their spam filtering is so bad. they mistake legit emails quite often

I disagree. Their spam filtering has been top notch for me. Sometimes spam does get through, but marking that as spam has made sure the next ones of the same are flagged correctly. Lately LLM generated spam has fooled it more often, though. Let's see if that becomes a problem.

my problem is more like legit emails are marked as spam. which make me nervous if i miss anything in the Spam folder.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by dspillett »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #767
dspillett wrote: post #690

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> The notice may be from a commercial entity but it's court-ordered. It's not spam. How is the filtering algorithm expected to know that? Especially if numerous users do mark such messages as spam (or give the more passive signal of completely ignoring it despite paying attention to other messages), or other identification rules say that the messages look like other things that have been thusly marked over time? > th…

> How is the filtering algorithm expected to know that? It doesn't. The humans working there need to add an override. > One of the touted advantages of collective mail systems [...] You cut off the most important qualifier in what I said. "In this case." They should be isolating or flat-out ignoring feedback for specifically epiqnotice.com.

If carving out exceptions like that were implemented by their choice, there would be a shit-storm of concerns about how it could be abused, with people immediately accusing them of abusing it because a message from a Google property or political entity got through to them. I wouldn't implement that by choice in their position.

“By choice” is a load bearing member in that sentence structure, and depends on the exact wording of “court-ordered to send and deliver” - it could be interpreted, as you do, as “the messages must be made visible to the user” but I assume it has instead been interpreted as “the message must make it to the account of the user” (and the spam box as part of that account if the filters happen to put it there instead of elsewhere). We'd have to inspect the court order to see how specific or not the wording is in that area before passing judgement on the technical correctness of each interpretation.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by notpushkin »

dotancohen wrote: post #495
notpushkin wrote: post #475

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Try Mailspring. I’m a huge fan: https://github.com/Foundry376/Mailspring

That's an electron app. What does it offer that Thunderbird doesn't?

Thunderbird is great. I’ve been using it a long time, too, and feature-wise, I think Thunderbird is way ahead. I just find Mailspring a bit more... pleasant to use? And I think it’ll be an easier switch for people coming off Gmail Web, which is why I’m recommending it.

(Also... Thunderbird is not that different from an Electron app itself. It uses Gecko instead of Blink, and has a few bits of XUL here and there, but the core premise is the same. Though it doesn’t use React at least!)

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by bigfatkitten »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #820
aboardRat4 wrote: post #749

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>use any number of clients to access your email. Your car can have any colour, as long as it is black. All native email clients are stuck in 2005, lack most basic features, and have bugs not fixed in decades. Also, most providers have poor support for new IMAP features, such as NOTIFY.

Name one feature (i.e. thing that requires client support, not UI) that's new in email since 2005 and that's also worth having.

JMAP.

Modern authentication.

S/MIME with cryptography that isn’t RSA.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by notpushkin »

locknitpicker wrote: post #715
dotancohen wrote: post #495

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That's an electron app. What does it offer that Thunderbird doesn't?

I would go further and ask what do electron apps offer in the way of improvements that WebApps don't. In mobile, webview-based apps exist mostly because they provide more ways to gather data on users.

> I would go further and ask what do electron apps offer in the way of improvements that WebApps don't.

If there was a way to run Mailspring on the web, I’d switch in a minute! I’ve tried to port it one time, but it got a bit tricky.

Mailspring uses a native module for syncing the mail, which would have to run either on a server somewhere or in a web worker. I think the web worker makes more sense nowadays, and would make it an offline-first app, but there’s a catch: how do you connect to IMAP/SMTP from a web browser?

Running the sync engine on a server is possible, but you have to have a server. It could make sense, though, if you’re running your own email server and want a killer webmail app to go with it.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by cindyllm »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #844
MarsIronPI wrote: post #820

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Name one feature (i.e. thing that requires client support, not UI) that's new in email since 2005 and that's also worth having.

JMAP. Modern authentication. S/MIME with cryptography that isn’t RSA.

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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

al_borland wrote: post #722
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #554

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It sounds like you may have been using very strange or not-working-properly devices. No-one really needed to care about partitioning.

I was using a Thinkpad mostly, which were usually considered some of the best options. Some of the bigger issues may have been 25 years ago, not 20. I remember spending a lot of time partitioning stuff in those early days, especially if trying to dual boot.

Thinkpads are normally pretty okay for that sort of thing although they went through a phase of using really weird WLAN cards.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by aboardRat4 »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #820
aboardRat4 wrote: post #749

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>use any number of clients to access your email. Your car can have any colour, as long as it is black. All native email clients are stuck in 2005, lack most basic features, and have bugs not fixed in decades. Also, most providers have poor support for new IMAP features, such as NOTIFY.

Name one feature (i.e. thing that requires client support, not UI) that's new in email since 2005 and that's also worth having.

Without IMAP NOTIFY email is almost unusable.

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5465.html

It's from 2009.

Without managesieve (2010, https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5804/ ), any decent filtering is impossible. (And no, it's not supported by almost any email client)

JMAP has already been mentioned.

I also don't remember any email clients supporting carddav.

>not UI

Why not UI? UI is very important. Even such a basic thing as muting folders works like cr*ap in k9mail. Is it better in "fairemail"?

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by aboardRat4 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #807
aboardRat4 wrote: post #749

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>use any number of clients to access your email. Your car can have any colour, as long as it is black. All native email clients are stuck in 2005, lack most basic features, and have bugs not fixed in decades. Also, most providers have poor support for new IMAP features, such as NOTIFY.

I loved Mimestream when I worked at a place that was on Google. https://mimestream.com/

50 dollars for an app on an OS which I don't use, when Telegram is free and works everywhere?
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