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Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by boxed »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #420
boxed wrote: post #40

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> > a uniformity that eliminated diversity and that chose homogenization over communion > Unrelated to AI, but a wonderful support of the breadth of humanity in this anti-DEI time. I mean.. DEI was in reality homogenization and eliminated diversity. Just because you agreed with the small amount of allowed opinions/people doesn't make it more diverse.

The anti-DEI “movement,” especially what we see in the US, is mostly thinly veiled racism by another name. All one has to see is how frequently people call any non-white/non-male hire or appointment a “DEI-hire” because they can’t possibly conceive that marginalized groups would see any success based on merit. They start from a position where they are all incompetent and being given an unfair advantage until proven o…

> The anti-DEI “movement,” especially what we see in the US, is mostly thinly veiled racism by another name.

The one we see on the news yea. But sane voices have been trying to stop this madness for decades and it only got worse and worse. Then fascists could easily scoop up such a clean win because the weapon was just lying there being ignored by the Democratic party. It's an own goal.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by Animats »

redfloatplane wrote: post #673
Animats wrote: post #660

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> If we focus only on contingencies, we risk letting the succession of emergencies dictate the direction of our path. That's a maxim for leaders generally. It's quite common for CEOs to spend all their time on managing crises and not enough on trying to progress and improve the business. It's even worse for politicians.

Yes, I found that really striking. I am still making my way through this document, but I think there's quite a high wisdom-per-sentence value. For me, there's a lot to learn from here, and I'm very grateful for it!

It's a classic management remark, but one that you don't see that often. One form it takes is that a manager should spend a sizable fraction of their time with the subordinates who aren't having problems. They're the ones who move things forward.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by OrangeMusic »

ziotom78 wrote: post #828
jimmy76615 wrote: post #776

There are a lot of great aspects of the pope's writing. The most important one probably being that a spiritual leader understands that there is a large technological and societal change on the horizon. I still quite often experience the well described phenomenon of talking to "normal people" (my family in Europe for example) that seem to think that AI is gonna be roughly as important as the electric car and is not go…

I believe that what we can reasonably expect in the future is machines that act as if they experience consciousness. But the fact that this is true consciousness is highly debatable, as the thought experiment of the Chinese room [1] explains. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

Not sure if it's really "highly debatable" that an entity that appears conscious is therefore conscious.

The Chinese room thought experiment is obviously flawed to me. It's not the "computer" that is conscious, it's the running software.

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Post by jcattle »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #650

I'm curious if there has ever been an instance where people have been able to "tame" a technology to consider a broader, societal good, or if we've always just been at the whims of how any particular tech naturally concentrates or dissipates power. For example, if you look at the boom of the middle classes in the mid 20th century, this appears to me largely a consequence of the fact that industrial technology at the…

I would wager that investment in battery tech, solar, wind and electric vehicles was largely driven by the trust of companies in institutions that carbon pricing will continue in the future.

I'm not a macro economist, I also haven't looked for any sources on this, but this is my guess.

Same for LEDs. I would guess that adoption, investment and improvement of LED tech was driven in large parts by a clear roadmap abolishing incandescent lighting.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by jcattle »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #827
ndrh wrote: post #807

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Kind of terrifying that "we may" turn the tide on CO2 is an acceptable level of optimism. If we don't, we all die. it isn't something to leave up to mindless market mechanics.

> If we don't, we all die. No, we don't. Even in the worse case scenarios, a runaway greenhouse effect a la Venus was never remotely part of the scientific consensus. Heck, the IPCC just retired the worst case RCP 8.5 scenario saying it is now scientifically implausible. Now a big reason it was deemed implausible is the transition to renewable energy is happening. But even if RCP 8.5 did happen, it was not a humanity…

> But even if RCP 8.5 did happen, it was not a humanity ending scenario.

Can you do it like the IPCC report and assign a confidence to that claim?

Mine would be: RCP 8.5 ending humanity (very low likelihood, low confidence), based on absolutely nothing.

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Post by agnosticmantis »

ivm wrote: post #535
qsort wrote: post #36

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> Much of Western thought traces back to serious work by Church theologians. The problem I have with this is that it's structurally a motte-and-bailey claim. If I have to take it literally, then it's obviously true and it's simply unserious to deny it: the Church does have a pervasive influence on Western civilization. The way it's often rhetorically used, however, is in opposition and to the exclusion of other stran…

The events you mention still took place within the Abrahamic framework of thought. Ideas like a linear timeline progressing from A to B (rather than a cyclical one) or utopian political projects bringing final justice to society are Abrahamic in nature. So I agree with the grandparent comment: unless one takes the time to study and truly understand other belief systems, it's hard to see how Western "secular" schools…

> Ideas like a linear timeline progressing from A to B (rather than a cyclical one)

Seriously? So we’re either linear Christians or circular Hindus, and nothing else ever existed?

And nobody else believed in linear time?

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by po1nt »

zaneyard wrote: post #500
po1nt wrote: post #477

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I don't believe there was an era in history more DEI accepting than nowadays.

What is the point of this comment? Do you mean to say we should cease the pursuit of DEI because we've "come so far"? Of course that's engaging with you with the assumption that you're not intentionally ignoring the weaponization of the movement in the US to further the goals of the current administration.

That would be a strawman. I am not living in US and don't care about US politics other than they are rising my diesel prices.

I'm just pointing out that historically this is the most DEI friendly we have ever been. If americans would be able to see outside a 4 year election cycle and realise there is a whole world outside the TDS zone, we could have a more civilised conversation than throwing strawmans around.

Re: Magnifica Humanitas

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Post by psychoslave »

lobocinza wrote: post #459
komali2 wrote: post #281

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There's been plenty of examples of workers seizing the means of production and establishing sustained non-capitalist organization (State or otherwise). We have any number of strategies to choose from: The PRC, Soviet Union, Syndicalized Spain (my favorite, seems the least likely to lead to police state), Vietnam, Cuba. The question thus isn't "how," but more specifically a couple other questions: "How do we prevent c…

All of the examples you gave caused much more tragedy than the system they meant to replace.

What actual system would you take as worth being pursued?
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