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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Sharlin wrote: post #664
solenoid0937 wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also at a FAANG here. Surprised you don't manage to use $300 in a whole day. It's almost trivial to productively use that much in under an hour. Leadership is not being dumb, at least on this topic. If your token usage is that low, you just aren't using AI that much (even if you think you are.)

Do you even realize how insane your comment is? "If you aren't donating at least your salary's worth of company money to another company every day, are you even working?"

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by sometimelurker »

rglover wrote: post #838
sometimelurker wrote: post #812

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Its a tool that is built by people who are incentivized to have you addicted to it.

And how.

OAI has a billion users. They can train the model directly against the metric of how often those users use the model. (mutate it many times, test which one works best, keep that, repeat). The model would (did) learn to be sycophantic and persuade the user to keep talking with it by constantly suggesting new things. The hype only makes this easier for them because it leads to people believing that the model is super-credible and trustworthy. They do this because it is easy and it makes them money.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by ansgri »

user34283 wrote: post #541
kilroy123 wrote: post #184

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I think that will happen. I think several things can be true at the same time: - AI Hype - AI Psychosis - AI keeps getting better and better until it can work around big AI slop code bases

With GPT 5.4 or 5.5 I did not notice degradation in performance when it was working on a large 5k line file containing a WebView, JS scripts, as well as native UI. I instructed it to split it up anyway, yet I wonder how often the concerns around the mess are imaginative rather than practical.

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by sometimelurker »

rglover wrote: post #837
hu3 wrote: post #744

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It has potential to remodel society though. Cars replaced horses. But AI is poised to replace a large chunk of brain labour. Where's the ceiling?

> Where's the ceiling? A stable civilization that doesn't devalue human life and well-being to the point of absurdity.

thats the ideal ceiling, but I don't see why we won't surpass that.

> People just need to calm down

I think people need to make sure ceilings are built, and we can calm down once we're done.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by sometimelurker »

bsenftner wrote: post #54

This is a critical communications issue that is becoming what I believe the defining characteristic of "This Age": nobody knows how to discuss disagreement, and because it cannot even be discussed communication ends, followed by blind obedience, forced bullying, retreat and abandonment. This is going to be a hell of a ride, because nobody can really discuss the situation with a rational tone.

while I find myself agreeing with the posted tweet, I don't disagree that we need to communicate about things we disagree about better. Take my upvote

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by 827a »

kalkin wrote: post #698

I think there's a reasonable argument that our entire society right now is under AI psychosis: The stock market keeps going up in the face of the indefinite closure of Hormuz. We're investing in datacenters at a scale that only makes sense if AI capabilities continue to advance to the point where they surpass most humans at most white collar tasks, if not reach superintelligence. And what are the possible outcomes? -…

I don't know. We invented machines that can answer arbitrary questions and are quickly demonstrating the ability to answer questions no human has been able to answer. We're sending more rockets to space in a week than we have in the prior decade. My car can drive itself. We experienced a global pandemic and within six months engineered and scaled the mass production of a vaccine to mitigate it. We also just invented a weekly shot that nearly cures the most common cause of non-natural death. All of these things are new in the past ~five years. There is no definition you can invent that does not classify the times we are living in, right now, as the most impactful ever, in human history.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by phs318u »

wnmurphy wrote: post #801
kalkin wrote: post #698

I think there's a reasonable argument that our entire society right now is under AI psychosis: The stock market keeps going up in the face of the indefinite closure of Hormuz. We're investing in datacenters at a scale that only makes sense if AI capabilities continue to advance to the point where they surpass most humans at most white collar tasks, if not reach superintelligence. And what are the possible outcomes? -…

My car drives itself. That's a $18T global market. Also $1T in data center investment makes sense when you realize that companies are racing to create virtual white collar workers. Google spends $9B a year on software engineers.

> My car drives itself.

No. It doesn’t. And if you’re defining “drives” as “it drives as well as I do” then you probably shouldn’t be on the road.

> makes sense

Nothing about any of this makes sense. Tell me, when all white collar jobs are replaced by AI, where will the customers come from? Who will have income to afford your products or services? The poor barista whose surveillance videos are training the robot that will soon replace them?

Leaving aside any consideration of human compassion or questioning of the purpose of an economic system (hint: it’s not just an abstract machine), shrinking the pool of potential customers by orders of magnitude has never been a recipe for sustainable success (let alone growth).

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by snovymgodym »

ActorNightly wrote: post #450
fg137 wrote: post #256

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How is a newer AI going to "clean up" dropped databases, compromised computers or leaked personal data? (None of above is theoretical)

I really am surprised that people on a heavy CS themed forum still have trouble grasping this. Imagine the year is 1995, C exists, but some guy out there is working on essentially what modern Python is. He says to you "check out this language, you can just import stuff, and use it and dynamically modify anything at run time". You can probably come up with hundreds of arguments about things that could go wrong, like m…

Highly dynamic languages existed for decades prior to 1995, Python was not particularly innovative in its features at the time. There were also countless languages more feature-rich than C being used for development at the time.

The biggest change that happened was that hardware kept getting better and it became feasible to use garbage-collected languages everywhere including really inefficient implementations like CPython.

That being said, 30 years later Python is still slow as shit even compared to other dynamic languages and runs into all kinds of scaling issues when used for anything serious. And everywhere that performance matters, software continues to be written in typed, compiled languages including C (but also C++, Rust, Go, etc.). Even in ML, Python chiefly acts as a thin wrapper and glue language for high performance CUDA libraries (aka C and C++).

So your historical analogy is mostly anachronistic.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by sometimelurker »

selectively wrote: post #818
sometimelurker wrote: post #815

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Do you believe that an AI can write persuasive text? Do you believe that an AI can be trained to elicit a specific user reaction?* Can we agree that AI companies are strongly incentivized to make money, and they can do so by making their systems addictive? Because AI psychosis can be a byproduct of that. *Il outline how briefly: mutate the model 500 times, give 1/500 of your user base a mutated version of the model,…

Yes, no. Yes, they want to make money. No, addiction is physical compulsion and nothing else. Despite the effort to redefine that term to cover all kinds of things, an app is not equal to heroin.

why are some bankrupted by casinos? how about online gambling?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

kalkin wrote: post #698

I think there's a reasonable argument that our entire society right now is under AI psychosis: The stock market keeps going up in the face of the indefinite closure of Hormuz. We're investing in datacenters at a scale that only makes sense if AI capabilities continue to advance to the point where they surpass most humans at most white collar tasks, if not reach superintelligence. And what are the possible outcomes? -…

The people with capital are gambling that this will be an innovation good enough for the first player to take all. That’s where the hubris comes from. You’re a billionaire and you have the chance to rule the world if this plays out, and if you don’t, someone else is going to. That’s where all of this is coming from
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