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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by sharadov »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #830
sharadov wrote: post #635

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SQL Server was pretty good until they went the Oracle way with their licensing shenanigans, but even with that they were a lot cheaper than Oracle. In fact SQL server was one of the few great products that came out of MS.

For the risk of getting downvoted: MS SQL is today stil a very good product, using it now for more than 20 years in different applications. And: The free version with max up to 50 GB (?) of DB size is a very good option for smaller environments/apps

I was a SQL server DBA early in my career, I've not used it in the last decade, glad to hear that it's still a great product.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by WalterBright »

wiseowise wrote: post #827
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If you hire a guy to mow your lawn once a week, are you obliged to provide that gig to him for life?

I’m not Oracle or Starbucks, stop shifting goalposts.

What is your criteria for someone owing you a lifetime job?

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Post by anthk »

cyberpunk wrote: post #678
DrJokepu wrote: post #453

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I only ever worked with the Linux/Windows variant. I can’t believe I am saying this about an IBM product, but I found it to be actually rather pleasant to work with.

It’s def got 80’s hacker movie vibes, typing “Iniate log rotation sequence;” etc just screams out for a green terminal emulator.

As an IBM hobbyist user, picture something worse than VMS in 'hackerdom'. IBM's mainframe OSes are like NT/OS2 taken to the total extreme with objects, because by default you don't see files but objects which might have files... or not.

Imagine the antithesis of Emacs. That's an IBM environment with 3270 terminals and obtuse commands to learn.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by zdragnar »

odyssey7 wrote: post #732
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They don't make any of the documentation for those settings easy to find or understand because the support contracts make them so much money.

Before, that could create a moat. Soon, it will be table stakes to put scattered internal communications, notes, documents into an AI’s knowledge base, where the information can no longer hide. When that fails, the AI can read the code itself, so that the settings and how to change them are easily explained in simple terms. Actually, this is possibly even better than letting the scattered internal information serve a…

That works for small customers who actually want to spend time customizing things themselves. Big customers love having to sign support contracts, because it gives them someone to blame when something goes wrong. Nobody else gets to touch any of the settings or knobs to avoid breaking anything.

Being big is the actual moat.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by partyficial »

sharadov wrote: post #841
KellyCriterion wrote: post #830

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For the risk of getting downvoted: MS SQL is today stil a very good product, using it now for more than 20 years in different applications. And: The free version with max up to 50 GB (?) of DB size is a very good option for smaller environments/apps

I was a SQL server DBA early in my career, I've not used it in the last decade, glad to hear that it's still a great product.

My first job was a SQL DBA. 15 years and 5 companies later, this startup I'm at (which got acquired recently), still uses SQL Server. It has stood the test of time.

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Post by tombert »

monksy wrote: post #789
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The at-will firing is just how it is in the US, but I do find it odd how accepting we've become with these corporations massively overhiring. If they have to fire twenty percent of the company, shouldn't that be a signal to investors that the people in charge are morons for overhiring thirty thousand people in the first place? Software engineers aren't cheap; assuming an average compensation of $250,000/year (which I…

250k/year. I'm not an arch. But that was the absolute high end for IC5. (Unobtainable) Oracle is not a high payer of salaries. I disagree that its a "signal that they overhired". Laying off people means: 1. They didn't plan well enough 2. Their business wasn't attractive enough to customers 3. Their business people aren't good enough to support the people who are developing their product. If anything, it should be a…

I mentioned 250k for total comp, like health insurance and bonuses and stock and PTO and the like.

All three of those points, to me, would still indicate that the CEO and executives are very bad at their jobs.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by tombert »

mort96 wrote: post #673
tombert wrote: post #443

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The Ahead of Time compilation is pretty nice for some stuff. Generally startup time is significantly improved, so if you're writing command line tools in particular it can be cool.

Most languages I write are ahead of time compiled with pretty good startup time so it's not really a need I have that I feel GraalVM solves?

Yes but Java has historically had pretty long startup times. If you want to write Java specifically then GraalVM is probably still the best option for AOT.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by shivang2607 »

I wonder how now one is talking about their Enterprise Products like HCM tool, SCM tool etc. Oracle provides some of the most feature rich and complex Human Resource Management (HCM) application and Supply Chain Management (SCM) appplication.

Most companies which uses HCM are eventually forced to use SCM, because if any company wants to use a SCM product, they need employee management system as well, so if anyone is already using HCM they eventually also starts using SCM. and if someone who does not uses Oracle HCM but wants to use SCM product they will eventually have to shift HCM here as well.

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Post by bombcar »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #743
bombcar wrote: post #640

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Java really could have taken over the world, and it can be performant, too. One of the versions of the most popular game in the world is written in Java, and it's quite capable of being very fast.

Are you talking about minecraft? Minecraft was known for working only because it is so simple graphically compared to other games. It was said to allocate and deallocate hundreds of megabyte of memory every frame.

Minecraft still runs, and it may look graphically simple but it's actually pretty complex (as it has millions of blocks in memory at any time and has to cull which to not render, etc).

Minecraft does do some horrible things to the JVM, but it's strong and can take it.

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