Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

github.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

841–850 of 1001 posts

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#841

Post by baggachipz »

xvector wrote: post #752
Quarrelsome wrote: post #742

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its because we hired a generation of the greatest minds to build habit forming and addictive products. So now we're seeing signs of how bad that is for children's mental health prior to their ability to consent to that.

Blocking this is the responsibility of a parent. Spend some time to configure parental controls etc. Pushing to turn society into a police state because parents are too tired/lazy/tech-illiterate is simply not the solution

This is akin to blaming the consumer who doesn't recycle their plastic, when in fact plastic is inherently un-recyclable and needs to be regulated at a federal level. Too bad the lobbying tricks of the plastic industry effectively shifted the blame.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#842

Post by koolala »

skybrian wrote: post #832

I don’t know why this isn’t a very simple Internet standard. The browsers on devices that have a child lock turned on could send an http header. People who have websites that are adult-only could configure their web server to check for that header and do something appropriate. That requires cooperation, but since most adult websites don’t want children to be visiting them, cooperation shouldn’t be hard to get. Govern…

The CA law is pretty much this but for any program.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#843

Post by skybrian »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #840
skybrian wrote: post #832

I don’t know why this isn’t a very simple Internet standard. The browsers on devices that have a child lock turned on could send an http header. People who have websites that are adult-only could configure their web server to check for that header and do something appropriate. That requires cooperation, but since most adult websites don’t want children to be visiting them, cooperation shouldn’t be hard to get. Govern…

There is already a set of standards for this: websites can send content ratings to the browser, and the browser can choose not to show content on the basis of those ratings. We don't need another one, especially one that inverts the polarity by having the browser proactively send information to the site.

Maybe that would work too, but “this device has a child lock turned on” seems like reasonable information to send? It’s a lot better than having to check ID’s.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#845

Post by vouwfietsman »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

I can't speak for proof of identity in the US, but please understand that digital privacy is a slippery slope we're already sliding down, it is not unreasonable to be critical of any privacy violating initiative, because privacy is never given back, only taken away.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#846

Post by ibejoeb »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

When I hear this argument ("better the government do it than a private company") I recoil. The government is sovereign, only accepts lawsuits at its discretion, and can use violence to get its way. We also know for a fact that it abuses its powers and conducts surreptitious unlawful campaigns against its citizens.

I'm not on board with any of it, but the last thing I want is the government to control it.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#847

Post by [deleted] »

pessimizer wrote: post #835
swiftcoder wrote: post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure what's a mess about a driver's license, social security card Neither of those are accepted by various states' voter id laws, nor can you reliably board an airplane with them since RealID. The only foolproof identity card in the US appears to be a passport (which, you know, global federal identity card... exactly what the folks against universal ids dislike)

> Neither of those are accepted by various states' voter id laws You've made this up. > nor can you reliably board an airplane with them since RealID. That sounds like a problem that they created, and can choose to uncreate. I don't need to know the identity of people on planes any more than I need to know the identity of people in trains, buses, or taxis. "RealID" itself is dumb, and was the result of wearing down p…

[deleted]

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#848

Post by munksbeer »

miroljub wrote: post #792
munksbeer wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that the EU regime still tries to push it Sorry, what is this "EU regime"? I'm not understanding the logic in your post. The people pushing it are certain elected officials of member nations.

I use the same terminology for EU officials that they themselves use when they describe corrupt regimes with low legitimacy they don't control.

Ok, but the EU officials are not the ones that keep pushing the chat control agenda. This is coming from certain MPs from the member states.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#849

Post by 0xbadcafebee »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

https://www.aclu.org/documents/5-problems-national-id-cards

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#850

Post by ori_b »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

'Nobody is allowed to do it' remains a valid option.
Post reply on HN