Live data from Hacker News

Where things stand with the Department of War

anthropic.com

841–850 of 862 posts

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#841
post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you claim that this high ranking Iranian government official was lying?

Judging from what I've read, he claims that's not what he was saying, and that it was his personal opinion at the time since he wasn't involved in any nuclear program. You're latching to one person's words, since recanted/corrected, because it helps the narrative you like: cherry-picking. More importantly, do you claim Trump was lying? (I do, to be clear, but do you?). Let me repeat it because this is important: Iran…

[flagged]

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#842

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar enough with Korean culture to know if suicide-for-ideology is culturally acceptable and expected. In Islamic ideology that is the highest honour.

Ah, so in the end, your reasoning for attacking Iran is racism. That is very boring, caveman logic.

No, my reasoning is culture. I do not live in the United States, I don't base my worldview on race.

There exists a culture for which it is an honour to kill Jews. Pretending that this culture does not exist is racism. Disregarding the differences in values of other cultures is the most disgusting form of racism - pretending that one's own culture is dominant or universal.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#843
post #18

It is incredible how far the overton window has moved on this issue. When I graduated in 2007, it was common for tech companies to refuse to let their systems be used for war, and it was an ordinary thing when some of my graduating classmates refused to work at companies that did let their systems be used for war. Those refusals were on moral grounds. Now Anthropic wants to have two narrow exceptions, on pragmatic an…

2007 was 19 years ago. If you step back another 19 years, you'll find that the major tech companies of the era had huge defense contracts: IBM, HP, Oracle, SGI, Texas Instruments, etc. Not only that, the development of many technologies we take for granted today -- like integrated circuits, the Internet, even Postgres -- were directly funded by the DoD. Much of the growth of Silicon Valley in the early days was a dir…

So the military likes to keep saying.

Most people here have no cultural relationship to that era of 38 years back. You may as well talk about the bubonic plague that ravaged San Francisco in the early 1900's and how it changed the course of the city that eventually led to where it is today.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so in the end, your reasoning for attacking Iran is racism. That is very boring, caveman logic.

No, my reasoning is culture. I do not live in the United States, I don't base my worldview on race. There exists a culture for which it is an honour to kill Jews. Pretending that this culture does not exist is racism. Disregarding the differences in values of other cultures is the most disgusting form of racism - pretending that one's own culture is dominant or universal.

Treating culture as uniformly distributed and absolute is racism. Your racism is blinding you to truths, leading you to illogical conclusions like the idea that it's possible to make an accurate assessment of military threat based on "culture." Hence why I called it caveman logic - you're literally defining your level of fear of another group of humans based on how different you (erroneously) perceive them to be.

You seem quite concerned with the plight of the Palestinians so I'll use that as an example: Jewish people experienced the worst, most widescale crime against humans ever committed, and then a few decades later, a subset of Jewish people turned around and began doing the same (at a smaller, less industrialized scale). This demonstrates the perfect universality and programmability of a human, which includes "human culture."

Any human culture can be molded to justify any existent human action. To pretend otherwise is to engage in ethnocentrism - what you accused me off, the presumption that there's something special about your culture that prevents atrocities happening under it.

The second that makes your argument racist rather than logical (if you refuse to budge on the word "racist," swap in "prejudice" - the fallacies are the same either way) is the homogeneous angle you're applying. This should be an obviously fallacious statement: "Christianity is a violent culture that supports violence against Jewish people, discrimination against gay people, and school shootings." Why is it fallacious, though? I know lots of christians that have done all of the above, proudly tying it back to their religion. You see my point, right? You would, presumably, never walk into a room of white people and assume they all share identical values - do it in America, half probably are tearing their hair out in frustration at the values of the other half. Yet you do it to Islam / Arabs / Muslims, because, frankly, you are racist against Muslim people.

An argument that depends on making a blanket statement about a group of people fails for many reasons: categorization (how do you accurately and scientifically select who falls into this grouping and who doesn't?), resolution (how do you account for outliers within this grouping, and how do you determine who might be an outlier?), absolutism (how do you account for the fact that people change?), and due to above, how could you justify making any decisions based on a prejudiced framing?

Racist arguments are completely dependant on fallacy. With a rigid application of rational reasoning, they fall apart. They're illogical.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#845

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine how silly you could make me look if you could quote exactly where in the Taiwanese constitution it does! I invite you to try. Okay, since you asked for it. Article 4 of the constitution of the Republic of China: "The territory of the Republic of China within its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by a resolution of the National Assembly." This was passed in 1947, when the Republic of C…

I didn't realize it was the same person I had made this comment to twice, so I will copy and paste my answer here: > > The key phrase is "existing boundaries." The constitution was passed in 1947, when the "existing boundaries" of the ROC were very clear: all of China, plus Mongolia. Nope, they were never formally defined, not even in legislation. This flexibility was explicitly acknowledged in the constitutional ref…

They were formally defined by the term "existing boundaries," which was clear in 1947. It most definitely did not mean the island of Taiwan, a tiny part of the Republic of China at the time.

> TLDR "the constitution does not define the actual territory."

That's not the TLDR of the ruling, and nothing like that appears in the ruling. The TLDR of the ruling is that the court does not have the authority to rule on what the territory of the ROC is.

> Thus, the constitution does not represent the ROC claiming PRC territory.

The constitution clearly defines the existing territory as the borders of the ROC at the time of the passage of the constitution, in 1947. That was explicitly maintained by the ROC government for decades after it lost the civil war. The current ruling party doesn't agree with it, but hasn't changed the constitution or passed any act that eliminates the claim.

>> and legally considers it part of the ROC but under different rules than the "Free Area."

> There is no evidence to back this claim

You're disputing that the ROC formally defines a "Mainland Area," as opposed to recognizing the mainland as belonging to a separate country? This is not even something you can reasonably dispute. They do use that legal fiction.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#846

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moderator responded that they couldn't find them qualified enough to take part in the discussion. With a gate keeping attitude like that, are you really surprised engineers don’t want to participate?

The problem as stated isn't finding interested engineers, but qualified ones. Reframing it as just about appeal is disingenuous.

There is no such thing as “qualified”. The engineers actually doing the work definitely get a seat at the table, otherwise it’s an academic circle jerk detached from reality.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#847
post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging from what I've read, he claims that's not what he was saying, and that it was his personal opinion at the time since he wasn't involved in any nuclear program. You're latching to one person's words, since recanted/corrected, because it helps the narrative you like: cherry-picking. More importantly, do you claim Trump was lying? (I do, to be clear, but do you?). Let me repeat it because this is important: Iran…

[flagged]

I'm not an expert. Probably anti Western sentiment, anti any former allies of the deposed Shah, and pro Palestinian sentiment.

But in reality this doesn't matter, because you're now moving the goalposts: I didn't argue that Iran wasn't hostile to Israel.

I claimed that Iran's nuclear program was already destroyed for 10+ years (mission success, as claimed last year with total certainty by Trump), and that Iran didn't pose a threat to the US.

Now, if the US wants to fight Israel's wars, that's cool and dandy, but the majority of Americans don't support this. Remember "America First"?

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#848
post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the world seen through media is heavily abstracted. And I think that makes people psychologically treat war like a game rather than something actually happening. We trick ourselves into believing it isn't real.

I wonder how much this changes based on country. The closest thing to a war happening within US borders was the attack on Pearl Harbor (I think). The US hasn't had conscription for 50 years. So there isn't much of a clearly visible and direct cost to war for many many Americans. I'm not arguing there isn't a cost, by the way, just that most can basically just not watch the news and have no idea war is happening.

Yes. I don't think any of us can really understand what it is like to be in a war zone. Proximity to that must completely change people's outlook.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#849

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The key phrase is "existing boundaries." The constitution was passed in 1947, when the "existing boundaries" of the ROC were very clear: all of China, plus Mongolia. Nope, they were never formally defined, not even in legislation. This flexibility was explicitly acknowledged in the constitutional reforms, when a clear delineation was made between "territory the ROC controls, and mainland territory (which the ROC do…

>which the ROC does not claim ROC claims over all Chinese territory formally via inherent territory / universal succession when Qing abdication transferred sovereignty of all China to ROC, territories predefined as all China. Seperatistards tried to get court to formally define, i.e. redefine it as to not include mainland but court chickened out and tossed it down to political level and original state/claims (again,…

Your insulting tone diminishes the validity of your argument to nothing. There's no point in talking to someone like you.
Post reply on HN