They want to kill anonymity on the open web. This is why I am against that.
The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
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Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#842I work at a European identity wallet system that uses a zero knowledge proof age identification system. It derives an age attribute such as "over 18" from a passport or ID, without disclosing any other information such as the date of birth. As long as you trust the government that gave out the ID, you can trust the attribute, and anonymously verify somebodies age. I think there are many pros and cons to be said about…
> Jurisdictions that accept facial estimation as sufficient verification are not taking enforcement seriously in the first place.
Or they want to spy on people.
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#843I work at a European identity wallet system that uses a zero knowledge proof age identification system. It derives an age attribute such as "over 18" from a passport or ID, without disclosing any other information such as the date of birth. As long as you trust the government that gave out the ID, you can trust the attribute, and anonymously verify somebodies age. I think there are many pros and cons to be said about…
You mean that system that requires either to use an original unmodified Android phone, or a iOS phone and it does not work in absolutely anything else?
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#844I don’t understand this.
Age verification is not more difficult than a payment system.
I mean, if I can pay on a website without the website to know my credit card number, I should be able to prove my age without the website to know anything about me either.
France has a ID verification system for all its service. You’d think they should be able to provide a hook that lets people prove they’re over the age limit to any third party without the third party knowing. It seems fairly basic.
There is a solution to this.
There are privacy issues on the internet, but I think this ain’t one.
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#845Isn't hosting stuff on tor/i2p the solution here? Putting stuff technically out of bounds of regulation had always seemed like the ideal end goal
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#846Palantir.
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#847Earlier quoted context omitted.
> EU's planned system requires highly invasive age verification EUDI wallets are connected to your government issued ID. There is no "highly invasive age verification". We are literally sending a request to our government's server to sign, with their private key, message "this john smith born on 1970-01-01 is aged over 18" + jwt iat. There are 3 claims in there. They are hashed with different salts. This all is signe…
> Can the site owner and the government collude to track you? Yes they can! Government can track all salts for your tokens, site can collect all salts, they can compare notes. There are so called policy mitigations currently: audits and requirements for governments to remove salts from memory the moment stuff is issued. It's not zero knowledge for me then. Also - if there is ANY possibility to track anyone. And/or ce…
I'll bite.
> It's not zero knowledge for me then. Also - if there is ANY possibility to track anyone. And/or centrally mark someone "nonverified" then it makes more problems than solves.
> Even if I trust my govt (no way), even if it'd be fully ZK with no way to track anyone… still govt would have a way to just block some individual "because".
Is this even actually possible? If you want any sort of identity verification you HAVE to trust someone, whether age or full ID. Literally impossible.
Zero trust systems in society don't work. If you don't care "who" then yes, zero trust is just fine... but then what's the point of "age verification"?
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#848Age checks sound simple, but they tend to turn into “please create a permanent ID for the internet.” I’d love a version that’s more like a one-time wristband than a loyalty card.
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#849Earlier quoted context omitted.
Screw over Meta then. Not everybody else . Meta is the bozo in a panel van with no windows. All The legit porn sites put up Big Blinking Neon Signs.
I actually run an adults only community site and you are correct, I have it in a popup that appears on every "fresh" visit to the site, it's in the giant bold print you agree to when you register, and from a technical end, I send every possible header and other signal to let filtering software know it's an adult only space. If there is a child accessing that site, they are doing so because their parent didn't even at…
Honest question. Why do you care?
Re: The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
#850I work at a European identity wallet system that uses a zero knowledge proof age identification system. It derives an age attribute such as "over 18" from a passport or ID, without disclosing any other information such as the date of birth. As long as you trust the government that gave out the ID, you can trust the attribute, and anonymously verify somebodies age. I think there are many pros and cons to be said about…
For me it is disqualified for usage because I need to buy into a Google or Apple ecosystem. At least the reference implementation does. This is just the next level of enshitification. And no, I don't need a digital blockwart at all.
And I have zero illusion privacy is compromised, it is trivial to identify devices these days, so it doesn't even work technically.
Next sentence we hear some empty bickering about digital sovereignty. This is all bullshit.