Why does everything related to AI have to have such awful names? It’s as if everything is named to be as annoying as possible.
Capitalizing on Rust hype?
Claw derives from a spinoff of “Claude” from “Clawdbot”
Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#842I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…
>"What is OpenClaw"?
It is an antiemetic device, apparently.
All I hear is "allows you to do x, enables you to y".
It seems that every software pattern or system cannot be described anymore, they became production grade software built from scratch, blazingly fast, secure and sandboxed that allow you to x and enables to y".
And sometimes can be mistaken for general intelligence by ai influencers and other animals
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#843Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a conversation with someone last night who pointed out that people are treating their Claws a bit like digital pets, and getting a Mac Mini for them makes sense because Mac Minis are cute and it's like getting them an aquarium to live in.
Pi's can be cute too tho.
https://www.londonstockexchange.com/stock/RPI/raspberry-pi-h...
Take a look at the jump in the Radpberry Pi stock price this week. They haven't released anything new so it's quite likely this is the OpenClaw effect.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#844I find it dubious that a technical person claims to "just bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend". Like can they not just play with it on an old laptop lying around? A virtual machine? Or why did they not buy a Pi instead? Openclaw works with linux so not sure how this whole Mac mini cliche even started, obviously an overkill for something that only relays api calls.
Why would Andrej lie about this? Why would the other people who claim to do this lie?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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I think this is absolute madness. I disabled most of Windows' scheduled tasks because I don't want automation messing up my system, and now I'm supposed to let LLM agents go wild on my data? That's just insane. Insanity. Edit: I mean, it's hard to believe that people who consider themselves as being tech savvy (as I assume most HN users do, I mean it's "Hacker" news) are fine with that sort of thing. What is a person…
Whats it got to do with being a nerd? Just a matter of risk aversity. Personally I dont give a shit and its cool having this thing setup at home and being able to have it run whatever I want through text messages. And it's not that hard to just run it in docker if you're so worried
> And it's not that hard to just run it in docker if you're so worried
There is risk of damage to ones local machine and data as well as reputational risk if it has access to outside services. Imagine your socials filled with hate, ala Microsoft Tay, because it was red pilled.
Though given the current cultural winds perhaps that could be seen as a positive?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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Yeah I have been planning to give it its own accounts on my self hosted services. I think the big challenge here is that I'd like my agent to be able to read my emails, but... Most of my accounts have Auth fallbacks via email :/ So really what I want is some sort of galaxy brained proxy where it can ask me for access to certain subsets of my inbox. No idea how to set that up though.
> So really what I want is some sort of galaxy brained proxy where it can ask me for access to certain subsets of my inbox. No idea how to set that up though. Though of the same idea. You could run a proxy that IMAP downloads the emails and then filters and acts as IMAP server. SMTP could be done the same limited to certain email addresses. You could run an independent AI harmful detector just in case.
Yeah I think for SMTP it's easy since it's perfectly scalable to do manual approval for each mail.
But not really sure how to set up safe search. One idea I had was to say "nobody would ever put a secret in the subject line, right..?". Then you could let the agent read all the headers and just have it ask permission to see the body.
That's still not entirely safe since if you can search the body you can eventually infer the presence of arbitrary strings. But I think you could probably mitigate that risk by just setting up alerts for if the agent starts spamming loads of searches?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#847Earlier quoted context omitted.
So creating skills/MCP servers itself and basically change its own nature is not a new thing? Clawdbot was the first were it worked really well. So I'm not sure you actually used and experienced it? Cynical comment is what it is.
No it's not a new thing. Agents coding their own mcp servers I saw in the original demo of MCP when it was announced in 2024. The other thing is part of the plan&act mode paradigm that plandex also started in 2024. I'm not a cynic, I just follow the scene very closely. This stuff might be new to you, but it's not new. There's literally nothing that this thing is doing that I haven't been doing for a few years already…
You forget to mention the cult like audience of karpathy and pelican guy.
Whatever pelican guy says becomes the week Show HN theme.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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>You wouldn’t give them access to your personal email or bank account. I thought it was vaguely common for secretaries (or staffers) to run the email/social media accounts of politicians and executives? Also you might not give access your secretary access to your bank account, but you'd give it to your financial adviser or accountant.
And like with Claws, every now and then a politician's secretary will post something inappropriate or embarrassing, and then the politician will end up taking the heat for it. Recently the president was caught up in some less-than-appropriate posts about a former president and blamed it on a staffer.
A secretary has much more limited throughput than an AI agent.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#849I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…
It was surprisingly difficult for me to understand the use case as well. Here is my best attempt at an elevator pitch: At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. ChatGPT keeps all your conversations and output and data forever. What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability. Your memories and…
All of this, plus you can plug in an openrouter API key and test a plethora of models for all use cases. You can assign different models to different sub-agents, you can put it in /auto mode, and you can test the latest SOTA models the minute they're released...
It can also edit its own config files, monitor system processes, and even... check and harden its own system security. I still don't have it connected to my personal accounts, but as a standalone system it is very fun.
People ask me "what would I even do with it?", when I think of dozens of things every day. I've been working on modding an open source software synth, the patch files are XML so it was trivial to set up a workflow where I can add new knobs that combine multiple effects, add new ones, etc from just sending a it a message when I get inspired in the middle of the day.
A cron job scans my favorite sites twice a day and curates links based on my preferences, and creates a different list for things that are out of my normal interests to explore new areas.
I am amazed at how stubborn and un-creative people can be when presented with something like this... I thought we were hackers...?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#850I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…
It was surprisingly difficult for me to understand the use case as well. Here is my best attempt at an elevator pitch: At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. ChatGPT keeps all your conversations and output and data forever. What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability. Your memories and…
> They can much better handle recurring tasks, monitor things, etc. In a sense, they're "alive" and can live however you program them. We already have examples of these agents creating an AI religion, an AI social network (which debated how to keep humans out using a human captcha), attempting to legally separate from their creators, and in one case called its owner on the phone, unprompted, just to say hi
Total nonsense.