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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by steveBK123 »

dekhn wrote: post #837
steveBK123 wrote: post #791

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100% My wife who is very offline saw a Bovino photo yesterday and asked me point blank “why is he dressed like a Nazi? he looks like that guy from Man In The High Castle” He knows, he knows we know, he is proud of it

I guess I use the term "authoritarian cosplay" or maybe "authoritarian LARP" but he's taken it further than just play and posturing. He seems to truly idolize and identify with the authoritarians of the past. That said, even our (US) military leadership wore outfits like that ( https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/style/gregory-bovino-ice-... ) What I also find extraordinary is that there is no consistent uniform, for…

This is the sort of federal policing force the libertarian right always conspiracy mongers about, and now that they are the ones in power its good, actually.

The language being used by the president to describe immigrants is on par with how the enemy was talked about during the war on terror. ICE has been told they are immune from prosecution, and the recruitment videos are basically white nationalist cosplay.

Now they are being surged, masked, poorly uniformed, poorly trained into US cities, as if they were Fallujah.

All that happens afterwards is inevitable.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by devchix »

Snoots wrote: post #438
zahlman wrote: post #247

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> ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. > Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is g…

You're being flagged for good reason, you're not a victim here. You refuse to watch the videos, but you're still defending the regime. Why? I question the moral integrity of anyone who would defend this administration without all the available info. I'm glad you're being flagged, because I've been disappointed with how folks here have been surprisingly flaccid when it comes to condemning this regime. The day that I c…

I've been here since 2016. I have never, not even once, downvoted any comment on HN. Today I downvoted every single of that person's comment in this thread. That discourse does not deserve to be heard, much less to occupy attention and debate.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by muwtyhg »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #823
muwtyhg wrote: post #822

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Is there any mechanism already where a war or active civil unrest causes a delay in elections in America? I've read that America has no such provision in our election laws to delay/cancel an election like that.

Do you think it's necessary?

The allowing of cancelling or delaying elections due to war or civil unrest? No.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by rolph »

dekhn wrote: post #837
steveBK123 wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% My wife who is very offline saw a Bovino photo yesterday and asked me point blank “why is he dressed like a Nazi? he looks like that guy from Man In The High Castle” He knows, he knows we know, he is proud of it

I guess I use the term "authoritarian cosplay" or maybe "authoritarian LARP" but he's taken it further than just play and posturing. He seems to truly idolize and identify with the authoritarians of the past. That said, even our (US) military leadership wore outfits like that ( https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/style/gregory-bovino-ice-... ) What I also find extraordinary is that there is no consistent uniform, for…

mustering out in retail tacti-cool LARP wear seems to be a signal of membership.

not totally random, that black and white velcro American flag-like patch seems to be a common sight, like all the temu/amazon/walmart mallninja stuff.

its easy to obtain, and coupled with masking, makes it easy pickings for imposters.

none of these guys seem to be wearing helmets, and it seems questionable regarding actual ballistic armor in thier carriers.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by filoeleven »

maxerickson wrote: post #794
filoeleven wrote: post #386

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That's not what I'm proposing at all.

Are you and toomuchtodo the same person?

Blue states fund red states, they are the economic engines of the country. California has the forth largest economy in the world. The federal government has more to lose. Red states are poor. Blue states can simply withhold federal support, keep federal tax revenue in state and let the federal government try to sue for it.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by AlecSchueler »

muwtyhg wrote: post #843
AlecSchueler wrote: post #823

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Do you think it's necessary?

The allowing of cancelling or delaying elections due to war or civil unrest? No.

An extant mechanism. You asked if there's a mechanism. Do you think they need one?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by direwolf20 »

maxerickson wrote: post #830
direwolf20 wrote: post #828

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There's already a law against helping a criminal flee a crime scene, but the criminal may still buy a train ticket and the train company isn't liable unless he told them he was a criminal, but anyone who knew he was a criminal and helped him anyway goes to jail. This is nothing new.

No, I mean that it wouldn't hamper ICE all that much unless you took it to an extreme. An onerous policy inflicted on the people of Minnesota that accomplished little in the way of disrupting federal operations.

I think it would. They crashed out over a single cancelled hotel reservation. These aren't hardened troops that can set up a bivouac in a random clearing, they're accustomed to all the niceties of modern life. If all hotels refused to serve them, if they couldn't buy groceries because their cards were declined, if the state blockaded their detention centers, they'd find their job much harder.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Bootvis »

zahlman wrote: post #824
TimorousBestie wrote: post #666

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> (I can't tell from the video I've seen who fired or how many shots or anything like that) You can’t count the number of gunshots? Huh. And here I thought your handle meant zahl + man.

I can't hear or see them, no. The video footage available isn't high enough quality. There's too much chaos, people are using phones that they can't hold steady, etc.

The phone not being steady matters for sound recording? How?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by zahlman »

devchix wrote: post #842
Snoots wrote: post #438

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You're being flagged for good reason, you're not a victim here. You refuse to watch the videos, but you're still defending the regime. Why? I question the moral integrity of anyone who would defend this administration without all the available info. I'm glad you're being flagged, because I've been disappointed with how folks here have been surprisingly flaccid when it comes to condemning this regime. The day that I c…

I've been here since 2016. I have never, not even once, downvoted any comment on HN. Today I downvoted every single of that person's comment in this thread. That discourse does not deserve to be heard, much less to occupy attention and debate.

Including https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46750452 , which also was flagged?

Can you please explain to me how it violates HN guidelines in any way? Or how any of it is untrue? For example, do you disagree that 8 U.S. Code § 1357, as cited, empowers ICE to arrest US citizens without a warrant in specific circumstances, specifically relating to obstructing them from doing their original job? Do you disagree that ICE are, contra the public claims of Walz and Frey, LEO? Did you see my submission https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46596055, and can you articulate a problem with it?

Including https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46749406 , in which I explicitly acknowledged that I do not think this particular shooting was justified?

I already explained repeatedly: I responded hastily based on priors, and then responded poorly to someone who insulted me.

When I initially said:

> All this stuff about permit cards, the victim's lack of criminal history, etc. is irrelevant. It is not connected to the motivation for the shooting. There is nothing to establish that the shooting was "solely for" that possession, and LEO denies that claim. There is no plausible universe in which the officer says "please show me the permit for that weapon", Pretti says "I don't have it", and the officer shoots. But that's the narrative you appear to be trying to push.

Do you think any of that is incorrect? Which part specifically, and why?

And, to be clear, you were okay with me being called a "nazi sympathizer" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46754655)?

I just vouched for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748563 , which was flagged and killed. Do you think it violates HN guidelines? How exactly? Because I legitimately don't understand.

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