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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by alistairSH »

ac29 wrote: post #689
alistairSH wrote: post #249

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For me, it's some intermediate trips where the EV really "fails" (though admittedly the gap closes every year and the use case below is basically a worst case scenario short of trying to tow trailer on the same route). A common trip for me is DC -> Dolly Sods WV for camping. Less than 3 hours drive time each way, about 150 miles. I only need to stop for gas once during the trip and for only as long as the tank takes…

> In an EV, that ~6 hour round-trip takes about 9 hours due to 2 hours of charging and a 60 mile detour. That's using ABRP, with an Ioniq 5 from Reston VA to Dolly Sods Wilderness and back That a fairly dead area of the country charger wise but I see several CCS chargers <5 miles out of the way and a lot more if your Ioniq has NACS.

Maybe? I didn't dig beyond ABRP's route suggestion.

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Post by bri3d »

kortilla wrote: post #763
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I have thoroughly audited Home Depot truck contracts many times and don't believe this to be true. Do you have a source? I have never seen "secret" fine print beyond the agreement which is embedded badly in https://www.homedepot.com/c/Tool_Rental_FAQ . People use these trucks for work all the time, and I use their trailers very frequently to haul all sorts of things. EDIT: I realized I have plenty of these contracts…

Can’t use a truck for towing and can’t drive it off of the road is pretty restrictive.

For a truck you rent in an at least semi-urban area by the hour it’s never mattered for me, it’s always covered all of the “I live in a city but need a pickup truck” cases like picking up landscaping materials, appliances, large furniture, and so on - a lot more than “just being allowed to bring stuff home from home depot.” Since I drive an SUV which can tow now I just do the opposite and rent a trailer when I would have needed a pickup bed, which also works well.

I’m actually far from a pickup truck hater; they certainly have their place (my parents live in a rural area and I can’t really see them not having one), and I occasionally miss owning one, but I’ve never managed to make the economics come even close to balancing out vs. renting for myself.

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Post by everdrive »

vablings wrote: post #383
Ostrogoth wrote: post #343

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>If you really need something bigger renting a trailer or truck is dirt cheap It’s neither convenient nor cheap to rent a trailer in much of the US. Major cities have options, rural areas less so. Full disclosure I have a mid-sized pickup, but I recently looked into renting a trailer for a landscaping project that was above the weight limit for my truck. First issue I ran into was that there were not any trailers ava…

Yeah, I cannot speak for rural US as much, I live in a large metropolitan area, and I would estimate around 1/5th cars here are pickups. You can rent a truck from Home Depot for as low as $100 a day.

But you cannot tow with it. Just haul.

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Post by AlotOfReading »

barbazoo wrote: post #680
GloriousKoji wrote: post #520

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You'd think with all that electronics it would be smart enough to use real brakes every now and then. The plug in hybrid Prius runs the gas engine every 100 miles or so.

Do we know rust on brakes is even a problem before assuming the electronics aren't smart enough?

Yes, it's studied. Rust and metal have different frictional properties, and the rotors produce different torques when the brakes are applied. This results in a sort of uneven shuddering when you use the brakes if they're heavily corroded.

It's not immediately deadly, but your brakes are one of the most important safety systems on the vehicle. They should be in good working order.

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Post by doktor2un »

kccoder wrote: post #607
doktor2un wrote: post #550

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The Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world.

The Toyota Rav4 outsold the Model Y in 2025. Toyota led all brands worldwide with 10.3 million cars sold by November. Tesla which sold 1.64 million, didn't make the cut for top ten brands.

Here’s the Tesla source. Everything I’m seeing for the rav4 is dated before the end of 2025, so the data is projected for the rav4 to make a headline, not actual data.

https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-tesla-model-y-worlds-bes...

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Post by wffurr »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #686
wffurr wrote: post #413

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You can have all the weird lifestyle preferences you want that don't involve conspicuous waste of natural resources and accelerating anthropogenic climate change.

It’s very hard to not see how any resource using activity falls in that bucket including: boating, shopping, having kids, going on vacation, having a home, ordering exotic things, eating at restaurants, using AI, etc. The primary limiter is on how many resources we give people.

Tax carbon and we can ration it out using market prices. But yes, many of those things are also carbon-intensive lifestyle choices, but some are more valuable than others.

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

fortran77 wrote: post #483
autoexec wrote: post #216

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> Wahhh I bought my car to make a statement and now it makes the wrong statement and I am self-conscious about it!!”. I I read it exactly the opposite. Somebody bought a car not because they were making a statement but just because they thought it was cool, only to find out later Elon was a nazi nutjob, and they don't want people to think they bought it because they share the same views.

Then sell the car. Putting the sticker on the car won't make you look good in the eyes of either Elon fans or Elon detractors.

This seems like it is speaking from privilege. I have not even paid the car off, 5.5 years later. I am not going to sell a perfectly working (if not very good IMO) car at a loss. And buy what instead? No, I will stick with my functional but terribly unergonomic car now built by a nazi.

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Post by mbfg »

alexjplant wrote: post #183
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>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…

a pick up without flat bed rails has significantly reduced the areas where it can be used as a work truck. Pretty clear signal that the CyberTruck was a status symbol not a work truck.

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Post by potato3732842 »

sgarland wrote: post #835
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Snow tires don't really stand on their own merit unless you're constantly encountering the conditions the snow tire people use in the commercials to magnify the difference. The biggest reason to get snow tires is simply that then you can run a "pure" summer tire rather than an all season the rest of the year. The second biggest reason is dry road performance. > AWD inspires more confidence Stop and work backwards and…

> Stupid internet circle jerks about stopping distance are not the pain point or performance bottleneck for the average user. Uh, it should be? The ability to confidently stop is far more important than to go. If you can’t get going, you’re not in a wreck. If you can’t stop, well… You also missed another key reason to get snow tires: many (most?) vehicles do not come with AWD even as an option. Telling someone to tra…

>Uh, it should be? The ability to confidently stop is far more important than to go

First off, this is the principal skinner "everyone else is wrong" take.

Second, it's just not how things work in practice. In practice what happens if you have a FWD car that can't "just go" you wind up driving way harder to make up for it. Stuff like hitting hills at speed and trying to take on-ramps at the limit of traction because you are having to work around the limitation of being unable to actually put power to the ground when you need to. Say nothing of all the sketchy situations that happen at the margin of that (backing down a hill you couldn't go up, getting stuck less than graceful merges, etc).

>You also missed another key reason to get snow tires: many (most?) vehicles do not come with AWD even as an option

I don't think that's anywhere near true for the US market.

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Post by sjapps »

ortusdux wrote: post #36

I think the dealership monopoly is partly to blame. Dealers get more reoccurring revenue from ICE vehicles, so they are incentivized to not stock EVs and to steer customers away from them. Ford seemed to understand this and attempted a direct sale program for EVs, but they canceled it due to dealer pushback. https://fordauthority.com/2025/02/ford-ev-inventory-hub-syst...

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