Live data from Hacker News

Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

reuters.com

841–850 of 1001 posts

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#842
post #600

A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it. Maduro is not good for Venezuela. The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country. The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it". The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the…

“ The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country.”

This is a new opinion. What is your basis for not believing might makes right in an anarchic system?

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#843

To steel-man and provide a more charitable interpretation of last night: 1. Maduro stole an election. He is not legitimately in power. Many other people in power, like the military and other political factions, opposed this and wants him removed. 2. These people quietly oust Maduro in the middle of the night. 3. With the tacit approval of these folks, the US arrests Maduro for previously indicted crimes. 4. The US bo…

What about Trump wanting to accelerate global warming by taking all the oil?

EDIT: Instead of just downvoting, tell me how I'm wrong.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#844
post #800

It's hard to think through the implications of living in a world where it is accepted that countries with more power simply invade each other and take land and possessions from those with less power. I can't think how it doesn't ultimately lead to broadscale instability and ultimately, war. In turn it depresses me that this is toxic to the humanity progressing and solving its bigger picture problems.

No imagination is necessary: we've been there. The 1800s were exactly that and culminated in two world wars on the next century.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#845
There was a time in my life when I would spend a few hours learning about US-Venezuela relations and the Venezuelan government and related topics so I could have a skin deep understanding of it and play an internet expert in threads like this.

I’m not going to do that today. It’s sunny, and I want to spend time with family. Being naive about this topic doesn’t affect the core of things I want to be knowledgeable about. And the reality is, having a vote only gives me nominally more agency over US foreign policy than someone who can’t vote. I am mostly just observing.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#846
post #600

A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it. Maduro is not good for Venezuela. The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country. The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it". The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the…

> The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it".

"I really want it" is not the reason. Come on! Maduro is indicted in the Southern District of New York. Both charged with conspiracy to commit narco-terrorism and import cocaine, possession of machine guns and destructive devices, and conspiracy to possess machine guns and destructive devices against the US.

The military operation was merely to lead the operation to allow FBI to arrest. Now, the oil issue certainly can be argued as the real reason for the strike and capture, but frankly they were OUR oil fields (funded by US companies) before Maduro seized them and nationalized them.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#848
post #600

A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it. Maduro is not good for Venezuela. The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country. The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it". The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the…

>> There is ZERO concern of the current US administration about the welfare of Venezuelans,

I don't think this was a humanitarian mission. I'm speculating from Trump's perspective, Maduro was a major de-stabilizing factor. The Western world also seems to tacitly agree that the man had to go -- I don't think Maria Machado's recent Nobel Peace Prize was coincidence.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#849

There was a time in my life when I would spend a few hours learning about US-Venezuela relations and the Venezuelan government and related topics so I could have a skin deep understanding of it and play an internet expert in threads like this. I’m not going to do that today. It’s sunny, and I want to spend time with family. Being naive about this topic doesn’t affect the core of things I want to be knowledgeable abou…

[flagged]

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#850

There's precedent in the 1989 invasion of Panama and the capture of Manuel Noriega, who was indicted for drug trafficking in the US.

If it wasn't a man suspected of being impeached over a looming child-sex trafficking scheme so deep that it makes watergate look like a game then maybe we'd pretend drugs has anything to do with it.
Post reply on HN