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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

This argument in favor of protectionist industrial policy is almost universally opposed by most modern economists, for a good reason.

We wouldn't be banning any law abiding company from operating.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

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> Btw, this is why the US alone has a larger economy than your entire geographic region combined.

And all of it is due to massively overvalued companies in california.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

This argument in favor of protectionist industrial policy is almost universally opposed by most modern economists, for a good reason.

Nations don’t outsource critical national security industries even though economists might say that’s more efficient. The question is whether they should outsource critical tech infrastructure to huge quasi-monopolistic US firms that can turn it off or abuse European data at will. I don’t have the answer to that question, but I have to imagine it’s a worthwhile debate. The data we have cuts both ways: China applied protectionist policies to its own Internet companies, and it’s hard to argue that this has been economically devastating for them.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I've never seen anyone here, or elsewhere, displaying a positive opinion on GDPR without readily acknowledging it, or the way it has turned out and is (not) being policed, has many shortcomings. I have seen people that are fanatical on privacy. Cheers to them!

> displaying a positive opinion on GDPR Ok. I hereby do. The only complaint I have is that it isn't enforced automatically and that we often don't have a way to force the worst offenders, because they have the military we rely on on their side.

Thanks for confirming my point with regard to acknowledging shortcomings. :-)

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#845

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

This argument in favor of protectionist industrial policy is almost universally opposed by most modern economists, for a good reason.

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

It's pure ideology that "cutting red tape" will lead to growth. Unfortunately I don't think there's much to understand, perhaps beyond the US giving the EU some kind of kickback for complying.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#847

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

This argument in favor of protectionist industrial policy is almost universally opposed by most modern economists, for a good reason.

Which would make sense when everyone is part of open markets.

People are opting for the less efficient options, on purpose now. We live in an era where America is imposing tariffs.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

This argument in favor of protectionist industrial policy is almost universally opposed by most modern economists, for a good reason.

Yes, and the reasons why they do so has little to do with why this law exists.

A law whose purpose is protectionism is bad. It invites stagnation, pointless inefficiency, and retaliation.

A law whose side effect is a bit of protectionism has none of these problems.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

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But where would you rather be an average Joe ?

Your health outcomes alone are better in the EU.

I think we all agree that looking at GDP figures needs to be supplemented with wealth distribution data.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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The 180 does not surprise me at all. GDPR and associated laws are a perfect example of the old 'Good intentions, unintended consequences'-pattern we see in laws all the time. The results of the GDPR (and the unrelated Cookie Directive) on my everyday professional life are what made me - an European - from a flag-waving European-Unity-proponent to a heavy critic that dreams of a Dexit. And I know I am not the only one…

can you please explain the driving licenses part?

I'm not as miffled about that as others, but in Germany, licenses used to be forever (unless you yourself gave it back OR there was a court order, e.g. for a traffic-related crime). Enter the EU, and now licenses come with a renewal date, which is considered mostly a cash grab as you now have to buy a new copy every few years.

A few weeks ago, there even was an attempt to have air-traffic-style medicals beginning at 60, which, in a society that becomes both older AND worse at public transit, was highly unpopular.

You may think that's a little thing. The issue is: these little compound. And every time they come around the corner with a new regulatory clown act, people remember ... when lighting bulbs were a few cents instead of the energy-saving 10-euro new bulbs mandated by brussles ... when we were forbidden to have powerful vacuum cleaners or showerheads (yes, the new ones are not really worse, but they sound worse), ... and a hundred other little annoyances.

Not to mention that national governments like to blame Brussles for stuff they wanted, but which were highly unpopular. "Unfortunately, we cannot do anything, it was an EU decision (which we openly supported)".

And eventually, people become eurocritic. Which is one of the reasons why people start to vote for right-wing, eurocritic to anti-EU parties.

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