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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by vietvu »

someothherguyy wrote: post #835
jacobolus wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or to fit in a narrower window: Chip | Process | CPU | GPU | Neural | Memory | Unified | Geekbench6 | | Cores | | Engine | Bandwidth | Memory | Single / Multi -----|---------|-----------|------|---------|-------------|---------|---------------------- M1 | 5 nm G1 | 8: 4P+4E | 7–8 | 16-core | 68.25 GB/s | 16 GB | 2346 / 8346 M2 | 5 nm G2 | 8: 4P+4E | 8–10 | 16-core | 100 GB/s | 24 GB | 2586 / 9672 M3 | 3 nm G1 | 8: 4P…

to make it more narrow, place the redundant units in the header

and replace first, second... with 1st, 2nd...

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by zer0zzz »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #675
hereme888 wrote: post #563

Base models only: - M1 | 5 nm | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 7–8 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 68.25 GB/s | Unified Memory: 16 GB | Geekbench6 ~2346 / 8346 - M2 | 5 nm (G2) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~2586 / 9672 - M3 | 3 nm (first-gen) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~296…

Does this mean the M5 is serious as fast as my intel 13900 cpu?

Easily yes

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by stefanfisk »

testing22321 wrote: post #758
B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #571

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Thank you. Looking at replacing an Intel MacBook Air, I hope there are price drops on the "outdated" M4s (although an M2 phased out early this year would do well enough...)

I replaced an intel MacBook Pro with a used m1 air. By far the fastest computer I have ever used. Massive, massive leap.

Yeah, going from Intel to M1 is IMHO somewhat comparable to going from HDD to SSD.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #672
drnick1 wrote: post #614

A lot of Apple hardware is impressive on paper, but I will never buy a Mac that can't run Linux. I simply don't want to live in Apple's walled garden. Then there is the whole ARM vs x86 issue. Even if a compatible Linux distro were made, I expect to run all kinds of software on my desktop rig including games, and ARM is still a dead end for that. For laptops, it's probably a sensible choice now, but we're still far f…

> A lot of Apple hardware is impressive on paper, but I will never buy a Mac that can't run Linux. They run Linux actually very well, have you ever tried Parallels or VMware Fusion? Especially Parallels ships with good softwaer drivers for 2d/3d/video acceleration, suspend, and integration into the host OS. If that is not your thing, the new native container solution in Tahoe can run container from dockerhub and co.…

From what I checked, disabling SIP/AMFI/whatever it is now means I can't run iOS applications on macOS. The fact that there are restrictions on what I can run when doing that makes macOS more restrictive.

Also, what if I want to run eBPF on my laptop on bare metal, to escape the hypercall overhead from VMs or whatever? Ultimately, a VM is not the same as a native experience. I might want to take advantage of acceleration for peripherals that aren't available unless I'm bare metal.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by okrad »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #326
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

There are so many software related things that drive me absolutely loony with Apple right now. * My iPhone as a remote for my Apple TV has randomly stopped deciding it can control the volume - despite the "Now Playing" UI offering an audio control that works. There auth screens drive me crazy: * Why cannot I not punch in a password while Face ID is working? If I'm skiing, I know Face ID isn't gong to work, stop makin…

The volume on iPhone when being used as remote seems to work of you use the hardware buttons. It’s not intuitive at all but it works

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by bapak »

Aperocky wrote: post #817
eth0ws wrote: post #791

"When compared to Intel-based systems, it delivers up to 86x faster AI performance" I'm imagining the engineers responsible for running the tests finely tuning the test suite for days and days so they could get that number into the press release, lol. There's no way that's a coincidence and someone definitely advocated for that line being the way it is. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-unveils-new-14-...

What does AI performance even mean for intel based mac systems.. The last one was like 5 years ago?

Check all the comparisons on their website. They're not comparing their products to the previous gen, they're comparing them to years-old system.

They could sell you a downgrade and still stay 2x M1 Pro performance (it was 4x from last year)

Apple is a marketing company made to sell stuff.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by zingar »

XelNika wrote: post #819
Aperocky wrote: post #817

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What does AI performance even mean for intel based mac systems.. The last one was like 5 years ago?

> production 1.7GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645, 16GB of RAM, and 2TB SSD https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/#footnote-4 So yes, that is compared to a very old 14 nm design, presumably the i7-8557U per Wikipedia.

Your comment implies that it’s obviously not this spec that they compare against. Could you spell it out for the ignorant like me? What about that config makes it definitely not the thing that is 86x slower?

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by tomalbrc »

runjake wrote: post #529
kokada wrote: post #137

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> Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same tasks ive been last couple of years. I have a work provided M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM. After the Tahoe upgrade it feels like one of the sluggish PCs at the house. It is the only one that I can see the mouse teleporting sometimes when I move it fast. This is after disabling transparency in Accessibility settings mind you, it was even worse before.

It's probably due to the Electron bug[1]. A lot of common apps haven't patched up yet. I also have an M2 Pro with 32GB of memory. When I A/B test with Electron apps running vs without, the lag disappears when all the unpatched Electron apps are closed out. 1. https://avarayr.github.io/shamelectron/ Here's a script I got from somewhere that shows unpatched Electron apps on your system: Edit: HN nerfed the script. Foun…

Should we not be shaming apple for their recent software releases? Every bit of the os is N times slower than on the previous macOS version. Safari has been unusable. Constant lags and crashes in the shipped browser alone. We are back in Windows Vista times

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by bbor »

thenberlin wrote: post #811
jacobolus wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or to fit in a narrower window: Chip | Process | CPU | GPU | Neural | Memory | Unified | Geekbench6 | | Cores | | Engine | Bandwidth | Memory | Single / Multi -----|---------|-----------|------|---------|-------------|---------|---------------------- M1 | 5 nm G1 | 8: 4P+4E | 7–8 | 16-core | 68.25 GB/s | 16 GB | 2346 / 8346 M2 | 5 nm G2 | 8: 4P+4E | 8–10 | 16-core | 100 GB/s | 24 GB | 2586 / 9672 M3 | 3 nm G1 | 8: 4P…

This is somehow the most Hacker News thread I've ever seen and I love it.

It's perfectly HackerNews, I agree -- any other forum would have native support for Markdown, which solves this problem much more cleanly!

Maybe they'll finally turn it on for Markdown's 25th anniversary in a few years? A man can dream...

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by baka367 »

drnick1 wrote: post #614

A lot of Apple hardware is impressive on paper, but I will never buy a Mac that can't run Linux. I simply don't want to live in Apple's walled garden. Then there is the whole ARM vs x86 issue. Even if a compatible Linux distro were made, I expect to run all kinds of software on my desktop rig including games, and ARM is still a dead end for that. For laptops, it's probably a sensible choice now, but we're still far f…

Meanwhile I finally bought into apple after my nth unsuccessful attempt to break into linux.

I just want a linux-like system that is not mainful to use and apple's is the closest thing that worked for me without resorting to last ditch efforts like sacrificing virgin maidens or newborn kittens on top of my Dell machine... and Apple provides one that just works ... reliably

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