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Re: Sora 2

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Post by echelon »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #780
ketlag wrote: post #662

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If you think this stuff is going to last longer than four months, dog, we're cooked.

Maybe some MAY end up in compiliations in ten years, much like Vines do today. But there will be a million times more tiktoks and a billion times more AI generated videos than there were vines, so if 0.01% of vines became memetic, the amount of AI generated ones will be infintesimal.

Content is all ephemeral on some time scale, but you can cache the near-term content to maximize the views and cut back on compute costs. Some model or human made it (the cost), it's trending (the value), so keep it around for a bit.

Everything has a relevancy and penetration decay curve.

The funny thing is, I think this law applied in the classical era (1950's, 1990's, etc.), we just weren't creating at scale to realize it.

Maybe it's just one dominant variable: novelty. I'd be curious to see how we might model this.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ryukoposting »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

As silly as I think all of these tools are, my eye tells me Sora is incrementally better at making short videos of red balls dropping into clear bowls. None of them are totally convincing, but the first Sora clip is easily the best of the bunch.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by tsimionescu »

zarzavat wrote: post #749
r_lee wrote: post #321

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I don't get the autotune argument. It's like saying we shouldn't be using electronic instruments because it's not real or we shouldn't use digital audio instruments because they're not real etc. It's just a way to get different kind of sound. It won't make you good tracks.

When you listen to music that has been AutoTuned, you don't know if the singer can actually... sing. If you put them in a room and asked them to sing a song without artificial aid, would you actually enjoy their performance or not? You don't know! This marked a divergence from thousands of years of vocal performances where singing ability and enjoyment of the music were one and the same. AutoTune was the first slop,…

The arguments against auto-tune are typically different, since it's obvious to anyone that autotune can't make you sound like a soprano if you're nowhere near - so skill is still required.

The problem with autotune is more that it removes a lot of nuance from singers' voices, it's like listening to MIDI instead of listening to a real piano. This is, however, something that can be improved. Synthesizers can produce wonderful musical effects, and there's lots of highly virtuoso music on synthesizers (including voice distortions, pretty similar technically to autotune) for those that are into it. Progrock, for example, was all about using new technology in complex and extremely interesting ways. Maybe more interestingly for your particular objection, you can look at early electronic music, say Vangelis or Isao Tomita or Kraftwerk. For at least parts of their songs, they could have just programmed their synthesizers ahead of time and played concerts without even being on stage - but that doesn't take away from the fact the music itself.

Ultimately, if the music sounds good and elicits some feelings and thoughts, it's good music. Whether the musicians can reproduce it live or it's done 90% in a studio doesn't really matter here. Of course, it does mean it may not be worth going to a live show from some particular performer, and it also means that the performer is not necessarily the most relevant artist - the person programming the "auto"tune should at least be considered part of the band.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by rhetocj23 »

bflesch wrote: post #767
rhetocj23 wrote: post #408

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This is going to sound crass but idc - OAI is just full of geeks, when what is needed is people who are more akin to hippies - thats pretty much what Apple was in the early days. Its no use building technology when its not married with the humanities and liberal arts.

IMO you're making a valid point, because there seems to be a disconnect between AI and tangible human benefits. The ChatGPT-as-therapy train has been nerfed after the bad publicity, and it is force-fed to people at their workplaces through copilot. I assume if you ask normal people how AI affects their lifes they'd think about annoying callcenter menus, deep fake porn and propaganda videos, and getting homework done.…

My comment, to my surprise, has received a lot of up-votes lol.

Completely agree. The way I think about life is - how will people look back 50 years from now, and make remarks about what is happening?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by sealeck »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #322

Really impressive engineering work. The videos have gotten good enough that they can grab your attention and trigger a strong uncanny valley feeling. I think OpenAI is actually doing a great job at easing people into these new technologies. It's not such a huge leap in capabilities that it's shocking, and it helps people acclimate for what's coming. This version is still limited but you can tell that in another gener…

> I think OpenAI is actually doing a great job at easing people into these new technologies. It's not such a huge leap in capabilities that it's shocking, and it helps people acclimate for what's coming. This version is still limited but you can tell that in another generation or two it's going to break through some major capabilities threshold.

This is a truly _wild_ way to describe "this version isn't much better than the previous one". Would you say "Apple's latest iPhone is a pretty small marginal improvement over the previous one, but it's useful to help peopel to acclimate for what's coming".

Re: Sora 2

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Post by r_lee »

zarzavat wrote: post #749
r_lee wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the autotune argument. It's like saying we shouldn't be using electronic instruments because it's not real or we shouldn't use digital audio instruments because they're not real etc. It's just a way to get different kind of sound. It won't make you good tracks.

When you listen to music that has been AutoTuned, you don't know if the singer can actually... sing. If you put them in a room and asked them to sing a song without artificial aid, would you actually enjoy their performance or not? You don't know! This marked a divergence from thousands of years of vocal performances where singing ability and enjoyment of the music were one and the same. AutoTune was the first slop,…

That's like saying movies are not good cause they're not live action-only performances

For me the biggest thing is actually the production, there's many people involved usually and sometimes real magic gets made, and that magic might not even contain any vocals at first

like what is acceptable music? only raw vocals & acoustic instruments?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by r_lee »

Rudybega wrote: post #428
r_lee wrote: post #321

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I don't get the autotune argument. It's like saying we shouldn't be using electronic instruments because it's not real or we shouldn't use digital audio instruments because they're not real etc. It's just a way to get different kind of sound. It won't make you good tracks.

I think AI is starting to verge on making actual good music. The latest Suno release is wild. An example here: https://v.redd.it/fqlqrgumo5rf1 I find this one interesting because Rap has classically been difficult for these models (I think because it's technically difficult to find the right rhythms and flow for a given set of lyrics).

The instrumental part is quite interesting but the lyrics/vocals...

it's just AI slop, like the median

like if you just put a bunch of words together and shipped that. Quantity was never what people wanted imo.

It is impressive if the instrumental track was made with just some prompts though

Re: Sora 2

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Post by vel0city »

gyomu wrote: post #730
oceanplexian wrote: post #676

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What’s so romantic about working in factories? Automation and robotics will accelerate the economy the same way information technology did, and humans will work on better problems than performing repeated tasks on an assembly line or flipping burgers. There are arguably more jobs today as a result of computers than there were before they were invented. So why is the assumption that AI will magically delete all jobs w…

> humans will work on better problems than performing repeated tasks on an assembly line or flipping burgers. Haha. The current wave of “careers we couldn’t think of” that tech companies have created include being Uber/Doordash/Amazon delivery drivers, data labelers for training AIs, moderator to prevent horrific content spreading on social networks,… with way weaker social benefits & protections than the blue collar…

I actually see robot food delivery services around me, so it might not even be long before those Doordash jobs get replaced by automation. Now I see neighbors starting to get drone deliveries from time to time. Starship used to deliver to the datacenter I used before (it was technically on a college campus but unaffiliated), and I had a coupon for free ice cream delivered through Wing the other day.

https://www.starship.xyz/

https://wing.com/

Re: Sora 2

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Post by groggo »

sensanaty wrote: post #698
groggo wrote: post #504

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It's pretty entertaining. People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the b…

This "barrier of entry" rhetoric reads like a pure buzzword dreamed up by AI pushers with no actual meaning to it. The barrier has NEVER been lower to produce books or comic strips or anything else like that. Hell, look at xkcd, there's nothing technically challenging about it, it's quite literally just stick figures, yet it's massively popular because it's clever and well thought out. What exactly is this enabling,…

What about the era of flash cartoons? Remember "End of Ze World"? In a way that's throwaway crap. Or it could have been written as a comic strip, or animated manually. But Flash kinda opened up this whole new world of games and animation. AI is doing the same.

One that comes to mind is a sort of podcast-style of two cats having a conversation, and in each "episode" there's some punchline where they end up laughing about some cat stereotype. Definitely low quality garbage, but I guess what I mean by "barrier of entry" (sorry for the buzzword), is just that this is going to enable a new generation of content, memes, whatever you want to call it.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ionwake »

sailingparrot wrote: post #820
ionwake wrote: post #766

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Im not sure, what if society only learns through hardships?

Well certainly if you don’t want us to discuss the possible implications ahead, then yes we can only close our eyes and learn from hardship once it’s there, but then what do we learn ? To not close our eyes next time ? We could just do that like now.

I think it depends on the time and place. So in this context it doesnt matter too much, its a billion dollar company, but if it was a guy with a project he just spent all year on, publishing it on HN for the first time, I would expect people to focus less on teh politics and more on the achievement which is something I dont see too often, unless the work is stellar. Perhaps there is just a high bar on HN
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