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ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by rezonant »

UncleMeat wrote: post #706
rezonant wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well obviously all colleges radicalize students to the left, which is why they want to get rid of college entirely. Public education as a whole radicalizes people to the left so they want to get rid of that too, so that it's too expensive for most people to send their kids to school.

"College educated voters tend to vote for democrats" and "colleges radicalize students to the left" are two different things. The claim is not that this person was more likely to vote for Harris than Trump. The claim is that university convinced him to murder people .

While nothing I said is contradicted by your reply, it's pretty crazy to imply "radicalizing students to the left" is tantamount to "convincing him to murder people".

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Post by otterley »

themaninthedark wrote: post #704
snitty wrote: post #676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things here. 1. Trump was president in 2019 and 2020. 2. There is an important difference between a bureaucrat calling up someone at Facebook at arguing a position about policy and the chair of the FCC threatening to remove broadcast licenses. Notable, Supreme Court has even weighed in on the former and found it well within the rights of the government to do.

I included the earlier dates to capture the various government agencies comments on Hunter Biden's laptop, which I doubt that you can claim Trump was directing. As for point 2, I am not aware of any of the government directed censorship going reaching the Supreme Court. >On July 20, White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield appeared on MSNBC. Host Mika Brzezinski asked Bedingfield about Biden's efforts to…

False speech does not have the same Constitutional protections as true speech. That's why, for example, you can be prosecuted for defamation, fraud, or false advertising.

However, the Constitution also sometimes protects intentionally false speech such as parody and comedy.

You can see that it's a heavily nuanced issue.

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Post by morkalork »

kimbernator wrote: post #825
suzdude wrote: post #749

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Soviet tanks, American bombs, British guns, French lives....

Surprised the French get the "lives" in this, given that the soviet union lost about 40 people for every french person while having a population only about 4.5x larger.

The quote is a little messed up because many of those 'soviet tanks' were Lend-Lease tanks produced by allies. Iirc it goes "WW2 was won with British intelligence, American steel, and Russian blood"

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Post by Bud »

xp84 wrote: post #123
Bud wrote: post #43

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Neither of those things occurred, here. Kimmel's remarks were extraordinarily mild, and they also happen to be entirely true.

Nobody has provided any evidence that I've seen that the murderer was motivated by a right-wing anything, and frankly as the least logical conclusion it needs sources. I read that the person who turned him in (or an acquaintance) said that he was the only leftist in a family of hard right people. [Apologies for the lack of source; I read it as news was breaking and don't have the link] It's a nonsensical argument tha…

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Post by 5555624 »

pabs3 wrote: post #444
nabla9 wrote: post #126

The era of TV-talk shows is already ending, so it's easy for companies to agree to censorship. These moves just quicken the end of the talk-show era. More profitable and successful shows seem to be immune for now, and South Park goes harder than ever.

I thought South Park had their Charlie Kirk episode pulled?

It might have been pulled for repeats (it had already aired); but, I doubt that will last. Kirk didn't have a problem with it.

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Post by atoav »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #680
atoav wrote: post #631

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I have read that the Joe Rogan school of comedy, that has grown popular in the past decade, did so on the grounds on fighting liberal "cancel culture". Back then they were rebelling against what was painted as a predominant culture, now that they have overachieved, one wonders if they would also fight cancle culture when it is coming from thr political right. I am not very optimistic about that. But maybe we get new…

>Joe Rogan school of comedy Joe Rogan, the Fear Factor host turned Right Wing podcaster? Is he know for comedy? I thought his brief failed stint of stand up comedy is why he switched to podcasting.

Joe Rogan was a stand up comedian in the 80s/90s, appeared on the MTV comedy show Half-Hour Comedy Hour and was performing at The Comedy Store in Hollywood. Not that I find him funny, but that in my book at least would make him someone with a professional comedy background if he spent nearly 3 decades there..

But I was refering to was the specific idea of what has been labeled the "Rogansphere" by his critics. This refers to a loose media/comedy ecosystem orbiting Joe Rogan, his podcast, Austin (comedy) clubs, and a web of frequent guests and adjacent podcasters/comedians who cross-promote each other on YouTube and podcasts. This network rose to prominence in a push to normalize "anti-woke" and right-leaning narratives under a free-speech banner. This was a pretty popular niche to serve as the term "cancel culture" gained more traction. At the time even many otherwise (american-)left-leaning people would express frustration with liberal attempts to police language etc.

This popular niche was especially present in comedy with a discourse about what and who you could joke about and since Joe Rogan played a big role into giving that topic traction I cynically called it "Joe Rogan school of comedy". I am no alone in thinking that way, comedian Marc Maron puts it better than I could in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_N4W05eyto&t=307s

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Post by drewbug01 »

nemo44x wrote: post #726
drewbug01 wrote: post #714

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This is a false equivalency, unfortunately. We can discuss all we like about cancel-culture-on-the-left, but it misses the glaring difference: The left used their speech to encourage consequences for those whose speech they didn’t like. The right is now using the power of the government to silence speech they don’t like. That is a massive and important difference, and it is blindingly obvious.

I don’t know if the means matter much - the outcomes are the same. One side could rely on their activist group networks to pressure decision makers and the other side is using their corporate connections to do the same. The government isn’t doing anything directly in either case. End of day the network made this choice.

> The government isn’t doing anything directly in either case. End of day the network made this choice.

The kindest read here is that you are unaware of the FCC’s comments on the matter.

Unfortunately, the government actually did do something - they put their thumb on the scale and implied severe consequences if the network did not follow through.

This is a massive difference. It is extremely chilling.

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Post by mkfs »

suzdude wrote: post #614

Mel Brooks had the right of it. Fascism and Authoritarianism is defeated by satire and mockery. The ideology is too outrageous to survive any such scrutiny. Why else would the administration be so afraid of a few jokes?

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