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What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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Post by ponector »

crtified wrote: post #178

My anecdotal experience, which illustrates how changing societal norms may be contributing. Around 1960, my grandmother scandalously fell pregnant with my mother in her late teens. The child was adopted out - well, not out - in. To her own grandmother, to be raised as a "younger sister" to her own mother. Around 1980, my mother scandalously fell pregnant with me, in her late teens. Despite family disapproval, the chi…

Better to have abortion than unwanted child. Usually it's quite miserable childhood for a kid.

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Post by bigyabai »

more_corn wrote: post #369
actionfromafar wrote: post #286

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They are married though. A bunch a guys stand no chance of being or staying married because they just don’t offer what it takes

Meh, I’ve never met a man who was incapable of doing what it takes. It’s not rocket surgery. Just mostly don’t be a dick and treat your wife how you’d want to be treated. If there’s anything more to it please let me know (for the sake of my marriage)

Wait until you discover gay men, that one will throw you for a loop.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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Post by ponector »

fwsgonzo wrote: post #619
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #580

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>> actually teen pregnancy wasn't so bad Except for the negatively impacting the ability to get the education needed for basic jobs. > I mean, it was a thing for most of human history. During most of human history there was a broad support system already in place. For modern new parents, that experience extended support varies from mostly gone to totally gone. Exasperating that: In markets with jobs, rents are 1mo ty…

Yep, we are new parents and we are almost 40. There just wasn't any moment before where it was possible to start a family. We are comfortable but utterly alone in our box, with no grandparents or extended family in sight. Also, with the expectation that outside is for cars. So, there's 1-2 hours at the end of the day for us which is largely cleaning and de-stressing. If anyone had laid this fully out for us before we…

>> there's 1-2 hours at the end of the day for us

Not so bad! I feel like "time for us" is all hours you can cut from 8h sleeping time.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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Post by crtified »

jalapenos wrote: post #726
crtified wrote: post #178

My anecdotal experience, which illustrates how changing societal norms may be contributing. Around 1960, my grandmother scandalously fell pregnant with my mother in her late teens. The child was adopted out - well, not out - in. To her own grandmother, to be raised as a "younger sister" to her own mother. Around 1980, my mother scandalously fell pregnant with me, in her late teens. Despite family disapproval, the chi…

Congratulations on not having been killed Shame you didn't ensure the same for your own kid

I am not sure how you think a 17 year old kid with ZERO legal or social rights or family support or money was somehow meant to overpower the iron will of the girl's furious parents (who in turn intractably convinced the girl herself), whose roof she still lived under - being in the final years of high school - and the medical fraternity, and the laws of my country, and the will of society. What was I supposed to do? Lock her in a tower?

But congratulations on shallowly judging people as murderers on a whim. Perhaps you might consider how that is a less than ideal characteristic, if caring about the lives of human beings is your actual goal here.

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Post by internet1776 »

louwrentius wrote: post #756
yumlogic wrote: post #337

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Typical liberal talk rather than solving the problem. It worked for centuries. No one is stopping women from working or doing anything. But, making whole world gynocentric and policies around it is how you get mass inequality. For a societal change, things have to change at fundamental level. Are you aware that below $120k - $150k it is impossible to raise two kids, mortgage, healthcare, and live in a no-drug ridden…

> For a societal change, things have to change at fundamental level. Are you aware that below $120k - $150k it is impossible to raise two kids, mortgage, healthcare, and live in a no-drug ridden neighborhood? Your solution is to enslave women again so they become baby incubators, exactly as right-wing theocrats want. The real solution is ofcourse 'socialism' and a rampant curtailment of capitalism, that is currently…

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Post by broken-kebab »

cogman10 wrote: post #771
broken-kebab wrote: post #767

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When aging population cannot be supported by enough young hands joining the economy, retirement accounts won't mean much. One can't eat digits, or take them as medicine. Money is as useful as you can exchange them for somebody's work.

I agree. That doesn't change the reality of self-interest. If someone is struggling to take care of themselves, why would they have children? Heck, if you have people working 80+ hours a week just to stay housed, when can they find time to have kids? Cruel societies punish people for having kids. We have a cruel society. The 90s "welfare queen" talk caused the US federal and state governments to gut social programs s…

I see what you mean, but it's simply doesn't work this way. Raising kids is so life changing that it has no money equivalent, like you can't buy another life. So if that mentioned self-interest is strictly materialist, one won't choose to have kids no matter how generous are welfare programs. We can find moral or practical reasons to support (or tax-relieve) those who does this work for the future of humanity, but it has nothing to do with low birthrate. You can't fix it by throwing money anywhere. It's a problem of ideals.

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Post by ponector »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #589
ambicapter wrote: post #430

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You don't have to be an "extinction apologist" or whatever to think that we'll probably solve the problem before we go from 7 BILLION people to not enough humans for healthy genetic diversity. We've rescued animal species from extinction with populations of <100.

>that we'll probably solve the problem before we go from 7 BILLION people to not enough humans for This just goes to show how little you've ever considered the problem. I don't think you're stupid (probably), so let me get you started... It's not "from 7 billion to not enough", because right now we don't have 7 billion. We only have the generation(s) that are from 0 to 40 years old... everyone older doesn't even coun…

>>This just goes to show how little you've ever considered the problem

It's not really considered a problem. A real problem is a wellbeing of the old people, that's why it is financed better then wellbeing of future generations.

Cut elderly support and make a free childcare and education, huge tax rebates for each child, etc.

A huge pile of government debt is another indicator that future generations are fucked.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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Post by ponector »

itake wrote: post #161

My $0.02 is being a mom sucks. In modern relationships, men just want to work and come home to a cooked meal and clean house, but their wives are working just as many hours the men are. Having kids means tension in relationship, unpaid labor by the woman, and stress parenting kids. Even if the husband steps up, he still can't breast feed for 3 hours per day. Pregnancy is really terrible on the woman's body. Post-part…

And then all your favorite activities are either impossible of much more expensive with a kid. As simple as it is: to travel somewhere pay more for kids, get more expensive hotel room capable of 3 guests.

Sports? Who will stay with kids during your trainings?

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Post by kelseyfrog »

FeloniousHam wrote: post #827
kelseyfrog wrote: post #559

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Can you explain how all of this is supposed to make me feel like it's worth opting in to? It sounds like this society is fundamentally broken. Why support something I don't believe in? Make a society worth believing in.

I'm proud of your decision to "opt out". I think the incremental improvements that have brought liberal democratic societies to a place of affluence unimaginable to my grandparents will be best sustained and advanced without your help.

How does this stance fix the fertility problem? It sounds like the root problem is people opting out.

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Post by ponector »

Mawr wrote: post #630
epolanski wrote: post #417

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+1. I'm 38 and the overwhelming majority of women I had relationships with had the maturity of a teenager well in their 30s. Barely able to take care of themselves financially, mentally, physically, let alone of a family. I seriously felt, except once, I had daughters rather than significant others. Mind you, I might've been unlucky, but the narrative that women are more mature than men, might be true on large statis…

That you've consistently chosen immature women to have relationships with tells us nothing about the average woman. You weren't unlucky, you specifically made choices that led to these outcomes. Had you chosen women purely randomly, it'd be a different discussion, but you hadn't. You've done the equivalent of consistently driving above the speed limit and subsequently complaining about the police being too eager to g…

I bet mature women are not available (already have partner or not looking for).
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